Installation of a gas heating system in new construction 2023/2024

  • Erstellt am 2023-04-11 14:47:10

Apolyxo

2023-04-26 13:06:14
  • #1


From a nature conservation perspective, that is anything but unproblematic. That's why.

However, I want to point out again that we should actually only discuss the sub-issue here: WPs in new buildings in 2023 and possibly 2024. And arguing against WPs there is really tough. The VLs are really ridiculously low.
 

Tolentino

2023-04-26 14:48:43
  • #2
Ok, in my head there wasn’t a dam with turbines but a small paddle wheel with a dynamo on the edge. My imagination isn't sufficient for environmentally hazardous effects. Sure, the yield isn’t high, but such a device should be able to provide 50-100W continuously. That’s enough for a bit of lighting or a fan in summer or even an office notebook.
 

jrth2151

2023-04-26 15:59:11
  • #3


All current heat pumps that you buy new now, and that's what it's about. Anyone who still buys another type now is at least as lost as people who still install gas and oil heating systems.



Currently, you can get new contracts for just under 30 cents per kWh.



That’s why underfloor heating and/or radiators for low flow temperatures.



I see it very differently. I currently live in a KFW55 apartment with underfloor heating and find the climate much better than in my old old building apartment. The warmth is much more evenly distributed, there are no cold corners, and if you sit in front of a wall, it is not ice cold. Overall, the warmth feels much “fuller,” I can’t think of a better description right now. Have you ever walked over tiles in an old building apartment after the window was open for 5 minutes? Very cold.




What does that have to do with heat pumps? And whether we have the capacities in Germany or not is not the problem of us end customers. The climate, however, is. Surely enough people who have much more expertise than all of us together are taking care of that. And they also will not have written the law without prior discussions with all relevant parties. That always belongs to the process.
Globally, we can only reduce emissions if we lead by example as a country. But just because others don’t care doesn’t mean it can be indifferent to us.



No one is being expropriated here by the state over whatever reasons. In recent years, we have simply missed everything in this direction. Now it has to go fast, and for that, maybe we all have to make some concessions. However, when we are done with all this crap someday and can generate most of our electricity from renewables, everything will become cheaper again and prosperity will be higher than before. What do you think how electricity is so cheap in Norway?

Installing a gas heating system now is simply stupid for both the wallet and the climate. It will not take 5 more years until CO2 is really taxed very, very expensively. And if you want normal radiators or are simply not convinced, then you will probably have to come to terms with the fact that this will no longer be possible. Not everything has to be possible if it harms everyone else. Your own freedom ends where that of others begins.
 

jrth2151

2023-04-26 16:04:13
  • #4
I don’t want to attack you personally now , but you are not the center of the world. The scientific consensus is the one supported and implemented by our government. And that is exactly how it should be.
 

Tolentino

2023-04-26 16:18:22
  • #5
Of course, there is a loss in value due to the heating modernization obligation. But honestly, in principle, the following generations have been dispossessed against better knowledge for 30-40 years. In this respect - little sympathy.
 

andimann

2023-04-26 16:50:25
  • #6
Hi,



What the heck are you always doing with your 60-degree flow temperature? Do you want to heat your sauna directly with it, or do you only have heating pipes but no radiators on the wall?
I grew up in a house built in 1971 with correspondingly rudimentary insulation. That was still the time when oil cost just a few pennies and radiators were installed in garages so the car wouldn’t freeze.
Our flow temperature in winter was never above 37-40 degrees, which was completely sufficient even with the poor insulation and regular radiators. Maybe up to 45 degrees in extreme frost, but that was it.

A little tip: closing windows helps tremendously in winter....

Andreas
 

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