Installation of a gas heating system in new construction 2023/2024

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Bookstar87

2023-04-28 08:57:37
  • #1
Tolentino, that is not correct. These peer reviewed studies exist and have existed much earlier, after all, it was not the first pandemic. So nothing more needs to be evaluated. By 2020 at the latest, it was also known exactly which virus was involved. The facts were known. They were simply not allowed to be reported or scientists who did so were massively excluded and partially persecuted (house searches, judges were called in, etc.).

These are lazy excuses from the perpetrators (front and center are the factions of the Greens and Social Democrats). However, I agree with you on how scientific work operates and that the examination including court cases against individual agitators and companies is only just gaining momentum. Unfortunately, that will take years or rather decades.
 

kati1337

2023-04-28 08:58:40
  • #2
I also see the discourse, but as far as I know, it mainly concerns individual aspects of pandemic policy such as the closure of schools and daycare centers. That is certainly debatable. On one hand, we know today that it would not have been necessary. On the other hand, one can argue that at the time, we simply did NOT know that. But the claim that all measures (including vaccines) could have just been abandoned and everything allowed to take its course, is something I have not read from any reputable source. Oh, and I do not consider Die Welt a reputable source; it is the pseudo-journalistic offshoot of Bild, and what it consists of has been very well presented to us by the doctors in "Lasse reden". :D But of course, there are surely divided opinions on this, as is often the case.
 

Tolentino

2023-04-28 09:07:44
  • #3
But if you want to examine the effectiveness of the measures during the coronavirus pandemic, then you have to examine exactly these measures in the context of coronavirus infections and the data. At the very beginning, not everything was known about the virus and how it works. In addition, there were variants that sometimes behaved quite differently. There are some methodological difficulties and, above all, uncertainties in the data situation. The Covid Stringency Index from Oxford University, for example, always records the strictest measures of a country and does not take into account regionally different measures. There will still be a lot of scientific evaluation; this then has nothing to do with any legal issues but with the scientific process and yes, this will also take years.
 

Bookstar87

2023-04-28 09:19:30
  • #4
I agree to the extent that we have massive (intentional? unintentional?) intra-German data gaps. Internationally, much already exists, but even more couldn't hurt. However, none of this will change the statements and actions of individuals, which were a crime regardless of the effectiveness of the measures. One must clearly differentiate there.

To connect this to the climate issue: we (politics, media, society) must not make the same mistakes again. I am curious, because the biggest difference this time is that it affects 100% of people and not just 20% (the unvaccinated).
 

Tolentino

2023-04-28 09:31:49
  • #5
Not just intra-German. When you compare with international data, you first have to harmonize in order not to fall into the apple and pear (or even banana) problem. Then you have to clean up (but not too much), convert (but with comprehensible factors), and so on and so forth.

As far as the climate issue is concerned, in my opinion, all mistakes have been made in the last 30 years. Now it is time to pull the cart around in the last meters. And that can only hurt, whether you turn right or left or make a full stop.
 

Bookstar87

2023-04-28 09:41:00
  • #6
Well, unlike with Corona, here not every country can decide on its own, it only works together and that is a huge problem. We also have to stop with side issues. Last Generation, 9 Euro Ticket, speed limit, wood stove ban, etc. is all populist nonsense. We need to approach the topic scientifically and need concepts independent of any lobbyists or eco-socialists. Or the other alternative is, we sweat properly in a few decades and hope for the best :D
 
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