Installation of a gas heating system in new construction 2023/2024

  • Erstellt am 2023-04-11 14:47:10

Buschreiter

2023-05-05 14:03:56
  • #1
If a heat pump is making strange noises, it might also be time... that would be more important to me than a refrigerator! As already mentioned, all experts say that heat pumps last significantly shorter than gas heaters, maybe also due to oversizing by the heating engineer (we've always done it like that...) and therefore too frequent cycling... at least that would be a conceivable reason!
 

sysrun80

2023-05-05 14:27:03
  • #2
What does "lasts shorter than a gas heating system" mean. My Buderus condensing boiler from 2010 basically needed the "combustion chamber," the core component, replaced after 10 years because of wear. Despite annual maintenance by professionals.

Even with heat pumps, you can easily replace individual components. You wouldn't just throw away a car if the exhaust pipe is broken...

Actually, a stupid discussion.
 

KarstenausNRW

2023-05-05 15:05:19
  • #3
Nibe, for example, states that between 4,000 and 16,000 compressor starts per year are still within the safe range (Nibe homepage). Other manufacturers calculate with up to 50,000 operating hours.

If you have a properly designed heating system, the compressor as the heart of the heat pump should last between 20 and 30 years. The pumps themselves last forever – when I got rid of my oil burner, the original pumps from 1990 were still in place (heating and circulation). Although European (especially German) manufacturers tend to install undersized pumps, the Japanese have significantly more robust models that in normal operation may only need to use 30-40% of their maximum capacity.
 

Tolentino

2023-05-05 16:09:34
  • #4

A refrigerator is a heat pump. With a much lower performance level, of course, but nevertheless it is one.
It is always strange why heat pumps are considered a new unproven technology, where there are no long-term experiences yet. That is simply nonsense.
That all experts say that is also nonsense.
Regarding air-to-water heat pumps for heating residential buildings, there used to be problems especially with non-modulating pumps and botched hydraulics.
Modern heat pumps modulate and compressors can now handle many more switching cycles.
An engineer in building services/technical building equipment told me that.



It’s rather an efficiency problem. The above-mentioned engineer also said that it basically doesn’t matter whether it cycles once a day or three times per hour.
It only becomes problematic if it cycles 50-100 times per hour. You can only achieve that with completely botched hydraulics, which does not happen with modulating ones anyway.

In this respect, a giant ghost is being conjured up here, which will probably turn out to be a hot air balloon.

But I don’t know that from first hand either. So we wait and see what happens in 20 years.
 

Bookstar87

2023-05-05 20:00:53
  • #5

A Waldorf engineer? Or where did he get his qualification from? With 3 times per hour you would have 70 cycles per day, about 200 days in the heating season, so between 10,000 and 14,000 cycles per year!

The pump would be a total economic write-off after about 8 years.

Great engineer
 

Bausparfuchs

2023-05-05 21:02:24
  • #6
The trouble with heat pumps continues. So far, mostly installed heat pumps are extremely harmful to the environment because of their refrigerant and are supposed to be banned. We have to save the Earth after all.

So anyone who has installed such a heat pump is an environmental pig and should be punished. Also, as threatened, how could it be otherwise, a ban!

Of course, there are already environmentally friendly solutions in the latest generations of heat pumps. Propane is supposed to become the refrigerant of the future. Propane is, as the name already says, a gas. Specifically, an explosive gas.

Now, there are serious concerns about the safety of these heat pumps. Houses could explode. Flammable, explosive gas in the heating systems. As always, I cannot link it. But none of this is fully developed yet.
 

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