Planning electrical systems to be future-proof

  • Erstellt am 2021-11-02 12:37:06

MBPassion

2021-11-02 20:20:43
  • #1
I can tell you about our experiences (major renovation) and give a few recommendations. We had two installation cables laid in every room (each with a double socket; I would say that in most cases a single socket is enough, because more and more is solved via WLAN). For that, you should know or have an idea of where the devices and desks will eventually be placed. Additionally, we had individual lines laid at the following locations:

    [*]Next to the front door for the Doorbird outdoor station
    [*]On the ground floor at the staircase for the Doorbird indoor station
    [*]In the hallway on the 1st floor
    [*]In the hallway in the attic
    [*]3 x on the ceilings on the ground floor/1st floor/attic for three access points

In total, 23 installation cables lead to a patch panel in a small storage room in the basement. There is also a 19" network cabinet where I consolidate the rest of the infrastructure:

    [*]24-port PoE switch (Unifi USW-Pro-24-POE)
    [*]A FritzBox (WLAN disabled)
    [*]A NAS
    [*]A Doorbird I/O controller
    [*](sometimes a Raspberry Pi or Jetson Nano) :)



From my point of view, it is very important that the access points are well distributed, precisely because WLAN is becoming increasingly important. We now have a Unifi Access Point nanoHD on each floor and are very satisfied with them. We no longer need the FritzBox’s WLAN and have disabled it.

For the DECT signal of the phone, the reception from the FritzBox in the basement (in the server cabinet) to the attic is actually sufficient. Of course, you could also rely on a DECT base station in a central location, such as the Gigaset Pro N670 IP DECT for about 100 euros. (Other alternatives would have been to extend the DSL signal via an installation cable and return it to the network via a second installation cable; have the TAE socket installed directly on the ground floor by the electrician; use a DECT repeater; or use a second FritzBox.)

Regarding the access points, I can only advise you to have installation cables laid directly into the ceilings for these. This looks good (or unobtrusive) and offers good coverage. You should instruct the electrician to use a deep flush-mount box for this because the terminated installation cable then still needs to be connected to the access point with a short patch cable.





The brilliant thing is that the access points already get their power from my switch via PoE, so a single installation cable is sufficient. Besides Unifi, there are also good solutions from other manufacturers.

For the installation cables, CAT7 is usually used today in Germany, which should be future-proof. I wouldn’t go lower than that for the installation cables, since Cat7 is even better shielded than Cat6, and you either can’t change the installation cables anymore (without empty conduits) or don’t want to change them anymore (with empty conduits). I even chose Cat8 installation cables — but that is too expensive for most people. From the network sockets to the devices, Cat6 patch cables are sufficient for the short distances — they are at least a bit more flexible.

What you should consider/know about this setup:
Such a large switch naturally also consumes more power than a small one. So if you already know that you won't use 90% of the LAN ports anyway, it would be more economical to operate a smaller switch. (But I just wanted to have such a setup.)
The access points each draw about 5W and unfortunately cannot be conveniently switched off, e.g., at night. That bothers me because it unnecessarily consumes power.
Unifi operates its devices using a so-called software-defined network, meaning the devices themselves contain no controller or administration interface; instead, they are managed by a central controller. This is needed for the initial configuration but does not have to be running all the time. I currently have it running on my NAS in a Docker container.

My setup is certainly at the upper limit for a pure private user. It can easily be scaled down by one size. What’s important is that you become aware of what will be hard to change in the future — and then install a very good and sustainable solution there. Switches and FritzBoxes etc. can always be replaced. Good cabling possibly cannot be replaced at all anymore.
 

Tarnari

2021-11-02 20:32:12
  • #2

That’s great and similar to my setup. You can read about it in the corresponding thread.
However, with Magenta it only works if the Magenta receivers are connected directly to the FB.
Otherwise, with the Unifi switches, you have at most 10 seconds of reception and then a frozen image.
 

hanse987

2021-11-02 21:07:58
  • #3
In network planning, do not forget the cable for the outdoor access point to supply the terrace and garden, the network cable for the garage for a possibly to be installed [Wallbox] and generally for the hobby room or similar.
 

hampshire

2021-11-02 21:29:28
  • #4
And I wouldn't take the Speedport...
 

Tarnari

2021-11-02 21:41:13
  • #5
That's how it is anyway. That's why I say, read up. Because if you don't take the Speedport, but for example a FritzBox or even a Draytek, then hotline support is even more out of the question.
 

exto1791

2021-11-03 07:45:59
  • #6


Thanks for this great answer.

As I said, since I am a layman and really know very little about this, it helps me a lot!

How should I basically imagine this:

The patch panel is a separate box next to the normal electrical control cabinet?

Is this ultimately mandatory as soon as I plan various LAN connections? The cables logically have to be routed centrally from all rooms to the basement.

You need the switch, or one needs it, because the Fritzbox as a connection option for various LAN cables ultimately is not enough, correct? So I need a switch with the appropriate number of ports and transfer speed so that all LAN cables find their place in the patch panel.

How to connect the MAGENTA TV box, I still need to read up on separately, since due to the switch it is very likely that the Fritzbox, or the Speedport, will no longer be used? In other words, I need a device that communicates with the Magenta box?

I also understood the thing with the access points - it all sounds very good and logical to me.

PS: Our shell construction is already completely finished... The ceiling outlets are already in the concrete ceilings, meaning: Can I still have cables installed in the ceiling here without great additional effort or should we have actually given the access point issue to the electrician a little earlier?
 

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