Planning electrical systems to be future-proof

But not by orders of magnitude, because radio is on the rise...

Yes, but not because the technology is so great, rather because you want to reach all those people who are not exactly building new.

But the same discussion as with LAN/WLAN... our office for 400 employees is WLAN-only...

Also yes, but certainly not with Fritzbox repeaters, rather with something "proper." Of course you can set up a decent WLAN at home too, but that also costs money and some thought during construction.

To be honest, I lack a bit of faith that a significant number of new buildings will be equipped with KNX for 25, 30,000 EUR. As I said, I know a few, but they don’t do more than what I can achieve with radio for a fraction of the price.

You can also see here in the forum. Many can’t or won’t afford it and therefore opt for radio in new builds.

It’s like with everything else. Not everyone buys a kitchen for 30,000 EUR, even if internet forums like to suggest that.

Yes, but not because the technology is so great, rather because they want to reach all the people who are not exactly building new. Also yes, but certainly not with Fritzbox repeaters, rather with something "real". Of course, you can set up a decent WLAN at home, but that also costs money and some thinking during construction.

My company also has more to hide and is a bigger target than I am...

Yes, but not because the technology is so great, but because you want to reach all the people who are not exactly building new.

Also yes, but certainly not with Fritzbox repeaters, but with something "proper." Of course, you can also set up a decent WLAN at home, but that then costs money and some thinking effort during construction.

The added value of building a really good WLAN network is, of course, much greater, since nowadays every second device and not only home automation uses the WLAN network. We are currently planning with Unifi and multiple SSIDs (Smart Home, devices, etc.). The effort here is exactly to lay one Cat7 cable on each floor in the hallway into the ceiling. Maybe one more outside. Overall, this is much more manageable and also cheaper than a whole KNX cabling system. In the future, the access points can then also be easily replaced if a new WLAN standard comes up.

Of course, wireless will never be as reliable as fixed cabling, but by now that is almost negligible. As I said, in my current apartment I have realized everything via wireless and I have outages at most twice a year. With Thread and Matter, all of this will improve significantly again.

Oh, it is always refreshing to read such innocent thoughts.

The added value of setting up a really good Wi-Fi network is, of course, much greater, since nowadays every second device and not just the home automation uses the Wi-Fi network. We are currently planning with Unifi and multiple SSIDs (smart home, end devices, etc.). The effort involved is exactly laying one Cat7 cable on each floor in the hallway ceiling. Maybe one more outside. This is overall much more manageable and also cheaper than a complete KNX wiring. In the future, the access points can also be easily replaced if a new Wi-Fi standard emerges.

Of course, wireless will never be as reliable as fixed wiring, but nowadays that is almost negligible. As I said, in my current apartment I have everything realized wirelessly and I have at most two outages per year. With Thread and Matter, all this will improve significantly.

If that makes you happy, then it’s fine...

There are people who drive classic cars, would never get into a smart car with dozens of assistants, and just enjoy life...

However, I would never come up with the idea of calling these people naive or dumb. But that seems to be the norm here. Whoever doesn’t want KNX has no clue, right? ;)