Is a house for a total volume of 400k still possible at all?

  • Erstellt am 2020-11-06 16:03:12
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Matthew03

2020-11-26 13:10:48
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Sorry this is not only directed at you but also exemplary... I will simply never understand these generalizations. Despite all similar problems/costs/tasks etc. in housebuilding, it is always individual. One has this talent, another that one, one knows a kitchen builder privately, another has a landscaper in the family, and much more.

We did the curbstones around the house for splash protection and those for the driveway edging ourselves, that is anything but rocket science and could be done without problems by me, a couch potato, after a single "learning" session. Costs for the parts are completely irrelevant, plus the concrete and that's it. We laid about exactly 100 sqm of driveway and medium-priced paving for 2,000,- gross, also as own work but with great help from a construction acquaintance. But anyone clueless can set the stones here too...

We didn’t have a landscaper but also arranged the garden ourselves, the result is something to behold and cost a fraction of what has been written here on the last pages.

Therefore @TE: clarify for yourself what is doable in DIY, set priorities (we postponed the garage until the year after next) and weigh the options. There are extremes in both directions, find your own way.
 
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Zaba12

2020-11-26 21:06:13
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Who here is talking about setting curbstones or laying paving? Everything that requires heavy equipment costs. You alone pay 80-100€ just for the damn arrival of the mini-excavator.

600 kg per L-stone cannot be moved by hand, let alone 60 meters. The ground is not shaped with a spade and a wheelbarrow either. You don't distribute 80 cbm of topsoil with a shovel. 40 cbm of mineral concrete as a base for the terrace and driveway don't spread themselves.

What I mean is, anything involving mass and weight cannot be done as DIY. Everything else can, and if it actually involves natural stones or L-stones with reinforcement, then it definitely goes into the mentioned price region.

The last sentence is of course right. You can live the next 5 years without outdoor facilities, I don't even mean that sarcastically. But you must not delude yourself either, the completion of a hillside outdoor facility never pays for itself out of current salary, never!
 
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ypg

2020-11-26 21:14:55
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The 20€ probably only apply to the OP for the hallway, kitchen, bathroom, and utility room – namely tiled.

For example, the basement is not finished at all, so without tiles and everything.
 
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Tassimat

2020-11-26 21:34:52
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I also find these €80,000 to €100,000 for outdoor facilities insanely high, as if you guys want to outbid each other. But well, if the entire area is supposed to be fully modeled with meter-high L-stones... then it can be like that. It's not normal.

Honestly, I'd rather leave the garden crooked and uneven than blow €100,000 on the garden. It wouldn't be worth it to me at all. You'd have to have that much money left over first...
 
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Zaba12

2020-11-26 21:43:09
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Haha, my neighbors’ garden is crooked and uneven. They only have a few L-stones around the terrace and for the driveway. Otherwise, the slope has remained “natural.” They spent the 80k€ among other things because they didn’t even plant the flowers themselves. Landscaping from a single source with a slope is really extremely expensive. This can’t be compared to a field and meadow property which is level. You can actually get far with a few bags of ready-mix cement and cobblestones from the building materials store, even in a double sense :cool:. As mentioned several times already, in our construction section, (almost) no one didn’t have to finance extra because of the slope.
 
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pagoni2020

2020-11-26 21:56:54
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I see it similarly. If someone likes such an expensive, "landscaped" version, then they also know that it costs a lot of money if they can’t or don’t want to do much of it themselves, and they don’t complain about it.
Nowadays, the costly use of the "trusted landscape gardener" is already taken for granted, but it can also be done differently or with fewer costs.
Ultimately, it is like this: I cannot spend the money if I don’t have it, and much of what I have seen develop in front yards in recent years comes from the nearest construction or garden center.
There are significant cost differences INSIDE the house, just as outside the house. However, one of the last things I would invest money in is my front yard or outdoor area, without it having to look bad there.
In Sweden, I once saw a sign in a wild, overgrown front yard that said: "I’m not participating in your competition."
 

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