Ground floor approx. 100 sqm, upper floor expandable (planned bathroom, 2 children's rooms, 1 storage room)

  • Erstellt am 2018-03-28 10:32:41

hanse987

2018-12-04 23:39:39
  • #1


Is it really that simple to include the roof in the thermal envelope? If I understood the OP correctly, the building permit along with the Energy Saving Ordinance calculation is based on the insulation of the ceiling. Even if he insulates the attic, the ceiling including the insulation according to the building permit must still be there, or am I missing something?
 

pffreestyler

2018-12-05 09:39:40
  • #2
Do I understand correctly that regarding the dimensions I took it doesn’t have a large impact since the distance between floor and beam is indeed there, but it is very problematic regarding insulation? Would such a solution then be possible?


The bathroom downstairs is not fully equipped


I’m definitely not running away. I know that this is all not optimally solved but I don’t see it so negatively yet as some do. A quote for insulation of the ceiling to the attic was requested on Saturday. Let’s see what costs it. 110 sqm for the ground floor ceiling is 4k plus VAT. Possibly as own labor.

Yes, the ground floor is its own envelope. My approach was that only the stairwell (with an MZ door as entrance) will be enclosed and insulated. It was only recommended to build and insulate the exterior walls of the rooms right away so that the staircase conversion later doesn’t have to be reversed and money thrown away. But a final decision has not been made yet, it depends on the offer. So far this has only been planning, which does not necessarily have to be implemented anyway.

I don’t think that is possible. Although the building application also states that 20 cm is insulated under the slab, the energy saving ordinance calculation showed this is not necessary and so it hasn’t been done. When asked, I was told that this is okay as is.
 

11ant

2018-12-05 16:14:08
  • #3

Should the position of the rising Rosa in your non-scale sketch represent the knee wall to be constructed? - then it should work like that.


Is that identical to the approval planning, i.e., insulated ground floor with enclosure/cladding of the stairs, and otherwise an empty attic?
 

pffreestyler

2018-12-06 09:41:49
  • #4
Yes, it is supposed to be. Not to scale, because it's not my drawing. But the principle is the same.

I spoke with the carpenter and the construction manager yesterday, and they both independently guessed that during the later expansion, the insulation will be extended down to the insulation visible here





and then the knee wall will be made where you want it to be. If I have read correctly, this also has the advantage that the cables/pipes behind the knee wall have more space? Only insulating where the knee wall is would make things more difficult with the pipes, right?!



Yes, I'm just not sure which type of stairs was assumed (a full staircase or this attic staircase), although we have always communicated openly that we will make a full staircase right away.
 

haydee

2018-12-06 09:54:05
  • #5
With us, too, roof insulation meets the wall. The [Drempel] is not insulated - we haven't done that yet either. My father insulated the [Drempel], and the pipe behind it regularly freezes since the attic is no longer inhabited.
 

ypg

2019-04-10 19:20:26
  • #6
What has become of the floor plan for the attic now? It is still "open" here. Even if the conversion is not happening yet, you wanted to have it fully planned already, didn’t you?
 

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