kaho674
2018-11-02 19:00:37
- #1
You are planning with DG even though it is officially not allowed? What will you do if someone checks?
Oh really?
Single-family house with gable roof, without basement - Feedback desired
- Erstellt am 2018-11-01 16:05:28
Oh really?
haydee
2018-11-02 19:11:26
- #2
Here are some additional notes for better understanding:
- The living area according to the Living Space Ordinance must not exceed 160m². Therefore, the attic is not inhabited. The floor space index is quite exhausted with what is shown here, hence the idea with
Kaho did I interpret that incorrectly?
kaho674
2018-11-02 19:21:07
- #3
No, I hadn't seen that.
derpikniker
2018-11-02 22:12:31
- #4
Hello everyone, here are some answers, since my multi-quote function apparently doesn’t work:
- Laundry room: An optimal solution here would be the upper floor. However, that is also the relatively most expensive room/cubic meter ratio. That’s why most people bring their laundry to the basement and then carry it back up. Here it’s just the opposite, only there is no laundry chute because we haven’t invented antigravity yet.
- The attic is considered an uninhabited space as long as no living rooms are created there. The same applies to all basements, by the way. That’s why it is also called basement replacement.
- The attic will be developed when the number of children reaches 3 + 1. This is neither decided nor impossible. I will not share more about our family planning here; there are special forums for that. When the expansion happens, all plans will be reshuffled anyway (the older kids upstairs, children’s bathroom upstairs, laundry room downstairs, etc.). Therefore, the plan is only an intermediate step in life and house use.
- Storage space in the hallway: I attached a picture of a staircase in the hallway as we envision it. Shoes and bags go there. We have also seen this implemented in a family of four. Coats, as mentioned, go in the utility room. Additionally, I gladly accept the improvement suggestion with the niche between the utility room and the WC. Thanks for that .
- Storage space kitchen/pantry: We currently have a rather small kitchen of 7.35 m² with a 2.5 m² pantry where the laundry room is also located (yes, that works). We manage quite well with it. The one planned here is about twice the size and without a laundry room. I think that will fit. I will discuss relocating the door again with my wife. That seems legitimate and reasonable to me.
- Storage space dining/living room: Except for glasses and cutlery, I want all the clutter (which you pull out about twice a year from the display cabinets to use and otherwise mainly to polish) far out of sight in some boxes in the pantry or under the stairs. Alternatively, gladly also in the attic built for this purpose. To get an idea, I recently took a closer look at our living wall and realized that it holds stuff I haven’t seen for several years and won’t use in the near future. I don’t want to place living walls/display cabinets/cupboards/chests just for their own sake in the rooms. The children’s things, especially toys, go into the kids’ rooms. Otherwise, I found nothing in our living/dining area worth keeping there and wasting cubic meters of living space. Of course, over time a slim sideboard or something like that might sneak in here and there, but I want to avoid turning the main living spaces into junk storage right from the start.
- House connections: The house connections can be very elegantly hidden behind stylish cabinet doors. All you need for this are some Pax doors, battens, hinges, and a bit of handy skill. This way, the utility room is always furnished uniformly and closed. By the way, this can also be very well realized with niches like in the entrance area. There does not necessarily have to be a cabinet.
- Pantry: In the first expansion stage, this will probably not be included yet. The connecting door to the kitchen, as said, is hidden. The connecting door to the garage is to be a fire-retardant, airtight apartment door with an electronic lock (fingerprint) and door knob on the garage side. We have already seen this with family friends. They have no problems with car exhaust and don’t want to miss that. As said, this route is mainly used for unloading groceries. There is still the normal front door, and nobody would think of opening the garage door to then walk through the kitchen. Don’t worry about that.
- Laundry room: An optimal solution here would be the upper floor. However, that is also the relatively most expensive room/cubic meter ratio. That’s why most people bring their laundry to the basement and then carry it back up. Here it’s just the opposite, only there is no laundry chute because we haven’t invented antigravity yet.
- The attic is considered an uninhabited space as long as no living rooms are created there. The same applies to all basements, by the way. That’s why it is also called basement replacement.
- The attic will be developed when the number of children reaches 3 + 1. This is neither decided nor impossible. I will not share more about our family planning here; there are special forums for that. When the expansion happens, all plans will be reshuffled anyway (the older kids upstairs, children’s bathroom upstairs, laundry room downstairs, etc.). Therefore, the plan is only an intermediate step in life and house use.
- Storage space in the hallway: I attached a picture of a staircase in the hallway as we envision it. Shoes and bags go there. We have also seen this implemented in a family of four. Coats, as mentioned, go in the utility room. Additionally, I gladly accept the improvement suggestion with the niche between the utility room and the WC. Thanks for that .
- Storage space kitchen/pantry: We currently have a rather small kitchen of 7.35 m² with a 2.5 m² pantry where the laundry room is also located (yes, that works). We manage quite well with it. The one planned here is about twice the size and without a laundry room. I think that will fit. I will discuss relocating the door again with my wife. That seems legitimate and reasonable to me.
- Storage space dining/living room: Except for glasses and cutlery, I want all the clutter (which you pull out about twice a year from the display cabinets to use and otherwise mainly to polish) far out of sight in some boxes in the pantry or under the stairs. Alternatively, gladly also in the attic built for this purpose. To get an idea, I recently took a closer look at our living wall and realized that it holds stuff I haven’t seen for several years and won’t use in the near future. I don’t want to place living walls/display cabinets/cupboards/chests just for their own sake in the rooms. The children’s things, especially toys, go into the kids’ rooms. Otherwise, I found nothing in our living/dining area worth keeping there and wasting cubic meters of living space. Of course, over time a slim sideboard or something like that might sneak in here and there, but I want to avoid turning the main living spaces into junk storage right from the start.
- House connections: The house connections can be very elegantly hidden behind stylish cabinet doors. All you need for this are some Pax doors, battens, hinges, and a bit of handy skill. This way, the utility room is always furnished uniformly and closed. By the way, this can also be very well realized with niches like in the entrance area. There does not necessarily have to be a cabinet.
- Pantry: In the first expansion stage, this will probably not be included yet. The connecting door to the kitchen, as said, is hidden. The connecting door to the garage is to be a fire-retardant, airtight apartment door with an electronic lock (fingerprint) and door knob on the garage side. We have already seen this with family friends. They have no problems with car exhaust and don’t want to miss that. As said, this route is mainly used for unloading groceries. There is still the normal front door, and nobody would think of opening the garage door to then walk through the kitchen. Don’t worry about that.
kaho674
2018-11-03 08:25:50
- #5
Sorry, I missed the part where it says you are only allowed to build 160m² or that you are not allowed to convert the roof into living space. If the 0.7 floor area ratio applies, this shouldn't be a problem including the 2/3 rule in the attic, right? The floor area ratio is almost maxed out, that’s clear. But the 160m² is nonsense in my opinion, regardless of the budget. Could you give me the number of the post where the development plan was described?
What about the fact that pipes are not allowed to be built over? Doesn’t that apply here? Are there regulations about this or is it just a nice-to-have rule?
How you imagine it under the stairs was already clear to us. It will be enough for a couple of shoes. You should just not expect too much and the gain in space will probably be relatively moderate compared to the effort. The area to be built under is only this one (I’m into pink):
For functioning drawers you need a substructure and enough distance from the inner stair treads. That takes away quite a few centimeters. In the end, there might be five drawers. But ok, you can use every centimeter.
Laundry in the basement or attic means one more floor to run up and down. With three kids or even more, that thing runs daily and you constantly have to run up there. I hardly dare to ask, but do you also sometimes hang laundry outside?
So a man who doesn’t store junk, that’s already great. I wish mine would bring less stuff in. Your storage is still too scarce and you won’t lose any designer credibility if you just admit it once.
You always want to store everything somewhere else. Attic, stairs, garage - as long as it’s far away. As a child of a furniture seller, I’m probably biased, but there is a huge difference in quality of life whether I just grab the tablecloth from the drawer next to the dining table or have to run up to the attic or look for it in a chest under the dark stairs.
And honestly, that wall in the middle of the living room – it looks awful. The view from the kitchen into the living room is terrible. Get rid of it and put the TV by the stairs.
I’d be genuinely interested in the architect’s designs out of pure curiosity.
What about the fact that pipes are not allowed to be built over? Doesn’t that apply here? Are there regulations about this or is it just a nice-to-have rule?
How you imagine it under the stairs was already clear to us. It will be enough for a couple of shoes. You should just not expect too much and the gain in space will probably be relatively moderate compared to the effort. The area to be built under is only this one (I’m into pink):
For functioning drawers you need a substructure and enough distance from the inner stair treads. That takes away quite a few centimeters. In the end, there might be five drawers. But ok, you can use every centimeter.
Laundry in the basement or attic means one more floor to run up and down. With three kids or even more, that thing runs daily and you constantly have to run up there. I hardly dare to ask, but do you also sometimes hang laundry outside?
So a man who doesn’t store junk, that’s already great. I wish mine would bring less stuff in. Your storage is still too scarce and you won’t lose any designer credibility if you just admit it once.
You always want to store everything somewhere else. Attic, stairs, garage - as long as it’s far away. As a child of a furniture seller, I’m probably biased, but there is a huge difference in quality of life whether I just grab the tablecloth from the drawer next to the dining table or have to run up to the attic or look for it in a chest under the dark stairs.
And honestly, that wall in the middle of the living room – it looks awful. The view from the kitchen into the living room is terrible. Get rid of it and put the TV by the stairs.
I’d be genuinely interested in the architect’s designs out of pure curiosity.
haydee
2018-11-03 08:57:50
- #6
Would be too stupid for me to carry toys, books, and such up and down a floor each time. Outsourcing that wouldn’t be my thing either. Even without being a hoarder, quite a bit accumulates. There is a lack of storage space in the living areas. Give Kaho the B plan. The attic must be included in the planning. Even if laundry is to be sent down later, connections must be provided.