Excessive costs for the kitchen?!

About your employer: you can do one thing and not leave the other undone. It’s not just black and white.

I don’t personally know any employed craftsmen (the construction phase hasn’t started yet) but I know statistics that show a rising wage level over the last 10-12 years (since the last major crisis) across all industries. And that’s exactly what I mean, the individual case is irrelevant for the entire economy.

The fact that the crafts sector is desperately searching for young talent is not (only) due to worse salary prospects. And this fact alone actually contradicts the thesis that the crafts sector in Germany is dying out because so much work is being outsourced abroad.

Yes sorry, that was a nasty unnecessary jab, I was just rambling - good that you can still take it with humor.

I also know the statistics. But they are closely related to the negotiations of the [Gewerschaften]. I also don't know a craftsman who even remotely has my salary level, although it would certainly be justified for the hard work and he would deserve it more than I do. Who today voluntarily stands on the roof for 8 hours in wind and weather for 2000,- net when he could earn much more in the office...

Of course, I take it with humor! The laughter generates warmth through abdominal muscle activity

Do you want to dissect every EXAMPLE I list down to the smallest detail?

If you are personally affected, you get quickly upset..... I find such judgmental examples about economically weaker people unfair, especially since they cannot defend themselves here. Go out into the street and say it to their face.......

IF EVERYONE THOUGHT LIKE THIS FREEGAN, OUR ECONOMY WOULD NOT WORK!

And if everyone did the work you do or thought like you, would the world work then?? We are a social community where the "value" of a person is not based on their economic benefit; you benefit from that just as much as the freegan, each in their own way. At least, that is the basic idea of our state.
I actually think that one can often learn far more from stranded and uneconomical people than from the calculator. Unfortunately, this was forgotten during the reunification—that one can always learn something from the other. I’ve met enough know-it-alls!

The freegan didn’t get it!

Maybe even better than you can imagine. In such "underprivileged" social classes, one usually finds significantly more useful life intelligence than where people think they inherited it at birth with a bucket loader.

I have nothing against Hartz4 recipients, nor against these freegans.

....then just save yourself these shallow examples at their expense....... You wouldn’t want to hear such things about yourself and your family either.
Unless it is forbidden for Hartz IV recipients to participate here in the forum.
Then we can get back to the actual topic......

Actually interesting why there isn’t a bigger market for used kitchens. Someone should come up with an idea on how to assemble many used kitchens into something suitable for new spaces. The countertop can still be new...

There is one. But rather not in new construction planning. Even though sometimes you read here that the "old" kitchen is taken along from the apartment – there are enough people who wouldn’t post something like that here.

That’s why you know the Ritter family.... from TV, from the leather sofa....

I actually had to google the family first... because I don’t have a leather sofa

I personally don’t know any salaried craftsmen (the construction phase hasn’t started yet) but I know statistics that talk about increasing wage levels in the last 10-12 years (since the last big crisis) across all industries.

It’s about time you start building so you can get direct contact as well

I installed Metod in my pantry – the 80s drawers just sag; the quality does NOT stand up to the comparison with a proper kitchen. I have a direct comparison.

Thanks for this contribution. I experienced it exactly the same way.

We went into the studio with a budget of 10k€. Häcker Classic, cooking island, normal pressed countertop... we ended up at 11,500 with electrical appliances. So it can also be "cheaper" than 20k€.

It was the same for us. 10,000€ was named by us. The seller’s statement: 5,000€ for the furniture, 5,000€ for the technology, we can do that.

....I’m finally cutting my mango now.

Enjoy your meal, if one can wish that. I have refrained from these and avocados for a year now

It exists. However, rather not in new construction planning. Even though sometimes you read here that the "old" kitchen is taken from the apartment – there are plenty of people who wouldn’t post such things here.

Really? But on a commercial level? So there are providers who buy kitchens and then assemble the fitting kitchen for oneself from the individual elements? That’s what I meant by that, and that would also be suitable for new construction projects. At least technically without the sensitivities of the builders.
Unfortunately, my wife categorically rejected that. She even forbade me from looking at showroom kitchens.

It’s about time you start building so you can get direct contact at last

Yes, really! After all, the demolition is already done:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-efh-auf-500-m2-rechteck.33505/post-442751

But the demolishers were less craftsmen and more machine-using destroyers!

It was the same for us. 10,000€ was mentioned by us. The seller’s statement: 5,000€ for the furniture, 5,000€ for the technology, we can manage that.

For me, that statement only caused eye-rolling or head-shaking sighs. Even before they had seen a floor plan.
Maybe it’s also a capital city problem.

Seriously? But so commercially? So are there providers who buy kitchens and then put together the kitchen that suits you from the individual components?

Laugh... totally ridiculous!

There is a parallel life besides home builders and property owners - which is also what meant - by the way, he immediately corrected himself by saying you should remove H4 and replace it with some.
These "some" are actually not so few. But they also buy. Then there are furniture barns or secondhand markets. But they also call themselves social thrift stores.
And they depend on builders or renovators or people clearing out apartments who want to get rid of their kitchens without making a single euro on it. Often, household clearances are offered by those less well off. For a small fee, the aforementioned can get rid of their ballast from the depths of the cellar and the clearers keep what they find. They usually find much more than what we see. Because the furniture, also kitchen furniture, is often not even that old.
Or the changers give away these actually still good pieces of furniture. Often renovators and home builders want to make an extra thousand for their 3000€ used kitchen - which of course does not work. If the thousand does not change owners, people often destroy their furniture, because: if you can’t make money with it, then no one will get it. But more and more often people avoid taking it out and then offer it to the city or the community or a household clear-out service.
In the social thrift stores, everyone can shop for little money. You and your wife too. You probably don’t like that, because not even a discounted kitchen would come into question...
More and more, not just the "some" go to these stores. Often they are (older) people who earn so little that a new stove or the necessary kitchen unit is not feasible. Or also migrants and their descendants (these days you’re not even allowed to say that :eek ) often rely on this product range because they have hardly any budget. Yes, there are very many who don’t even have a fitted kitchen. Let alone a dishwasher or a ventilation hood. It’s far more than you’d think, those we don’t see. At least I don’t see them. And I would never buy a used kitchen. Rather a piece of furniture. Which I have done several times. Flea markets used to be really popular.
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I would like to say that now in Polish, but I don’t know Polish
(I hope you know the show with the mouse )

For me, the announcement always only brought eye-rolling or head-shaking sighs. Even before they had seen a floor plan.
Maybe it’s a capital city problem.

Maybe it’s simply because a mid-range fitted kitchen is not enough for your "standard".