Excessive costs for the kitchen?!

  • Erstellt am 2020-10-24 21:35:11

hampshire

2020-10-26 12:15:52
  • #1
It's all good, - there is nothing you should blame yourself for. Your considerations about where you shop are completely legitimate and there is no need to justify them, especially not in front of any forum members like me. What isn’t available nearby simply isn’t available nearby. It's that simple. What annoys me are people who haggle to death, cheat, and get super clever deals when shopping, but at the same time have entirely different standards for themselves. From my point of view, you have nothing in common with such people, .
 

Tolentino

2020-10-26 12:20:36
  • #2
Thanks! Yes, those are exhausting. That's probably also why there are high moon prices and corresponding discounts at the relevant furniture stores.
 

pagoni2020

2020-10-26 12:30:57
  • #3
I read along there and, as often, I can understand something from both sides. BUT , that is nevertheless an arrogant and also disparaging statement. Surely you don’t mean it badly, but from the security of your own powdered, controlled residential ventilation subdivision house, such words about others often come too quickly to my mind. Even there, among the people who receive HartzIV, there are lazy, stupid, smart, and diligent people just like anywhere around us; it is not black and white there either, even if we would like things to be simpler so that our arguments fit better. A "Ritter family" is a fate that largely has something to do with the behavior of the rest of society and for which society itself should be ashamed; unfortunately, the Ritter family often doesn’t notice this itself or doesn’t know or create a way out. From one’s own double garage with surveillance camera and underfloor heating, one apparently perceives the world a bit differently. If one REALLY knew this "world" better and personally, about which one is so judgmental, one would write it differently and, above all, feel it with more empathy. ....against this background, it is advisable to read your own, self-written text again......see above described it well in my opinion. No one lives perfectly exemplary; even our German companies prefer to pay taxes abroad etc...... Everyone should develop more and more a healthy awareness of social obligations rather than looking down on supposed freeloaders. These "lazy freeloaders" (let’s at least call it by name as we mean it) do not really endanger our state; that rather happens on the stock exchange or in the dealings of decadently acting economic sectors. I am firmly convinced that EVERYONE should have an awareness that they bear their own responsibility for our social system, that is also for the economy around me—the craftsman, the baker—but also the economy, the baker, plumber, etc. must think this way themselves, and the craftsman must also think regionally; only then can it fit. And speaking of Hartz IV. Everyone receives what they are legally entitled to, whether someone likes it or not. If he/she gets it, it is correct and does not deserve disparagement. Or do you have to justify or be ashamed because you rip off tens of thousands of euros from our state for some lobby-driven KFW or whatever systems. It is done because there is free money, period. If there were no free money, 90% of it would not be done either. Kfw houses are mostly built that way because there is free money and not because you could live better in them. By the way, I see Hartz IV people less often abroad at the stylish après-ski party or in the Caribbean where mostly still enslaved, underpaid poor staff with white gloves serve the cocktail saved by Kfw funding. At the beach party, regionality is quickly ignored (sorry), or will we all soon meet in the Harz? Nope.....that looks dumb on Twitter. A little less hypocrisy and more actual doing instead of just talking would do EVERYONE (including me!!!) good! I consciously include myself, as unfortunately I am not free of it either!! Yep, that’s how it is. But this carpenter also has to implement that thinking, because if he then orders everything online or cheaply abroad, then this idea is only half-hearted. Does the carpenter also buy regionally himself or does he constantly fly off to Tatütata...... abroad? That is important because otherwise, I would rather buy in Romania or Poland if the Pole/Romanian then spends his family vacation in the Eifel or spends his money on German roast pork. It’s not that simple in my opinion...... I’m finally going to cut open my mango now.
 

Sparfuchs77

2020-10-26 12:48:19
  • #4
maybe we should slowly get back to the topic?


,,Excessive costs for the kitchen?!,,

We went into the studio with a budget of €10k. Häcker Classic, kitchen island, standard pressed countertop... we ended up at €11,500 with appliances. So it is also ,,cheaper,, than €20k€

Then we made the mistake of comparing our demands / wishes again with the exhibition kitchens. We then bought a kitchen for €21,000 and are as happy as can be ^^

The biggest price drivers are the downdraft ventilation (with us from Berbel), real lacquer fronts with cassette, and stone countertops. That alone quickly adds up to €10-15k. Plus the furniture costs and the other appliances.

In total, we have about €7k wood costs for a Häcker Systemat kitchen, €10k appliances and the stone countertop plus assembly. So if your Polish dealer asks €9k for the wood, you should compare carefully whether it is really worth it.

The service plays a special role: my kitchen builder comes to take measurements, was there for many hours to advise us, assembles the thing, and takes over the warranty for the stuff. If something happens, I know exactly that I won’t be met with deaf ears. If necessary, he’ll quickly come by the 30km and take a look.

Those who buy abroad often get it significantly cheaper than in Germany. TRUE! But you should also compare fairly and ask: do I get the service abroad as well? Or do I value the service?
 

Tolentino

2020-10-26 13:00:19
  • #5
I can buy the service in Germany then. It might also be more expensive in some cases. I can’t say anything about the service from Polish kitchen builders. But on the pages I looked at, it also included measurements. Polish craftsmen also have to provide warranty. Whether that works well, I don’t know, I lack the experience.
 

Alessandro

2020-10-26 13:15:08
  • #6
Why are you all getting so worked up about my Hartz4 statement? There are beneficiaries who live by that motto. I know that! In this context, it was only meant to serve as a synonym for the statements made here. Loosely based on the motto: What difference does it make?! I once had a conversation with a freegan (those are people who feed themselves from dumpsters and scavenge). He seriously claimed that you actually don’t need money to get by because, for example, the market vendors at the weekly market always give something away and donate. But he didn’t quite want to understand that these market people can only give something away because they go to work.

Regionality is a flexible concept and of course 10% savings on a crate of cola and on a house are two different things. In times of globalization and free market economy, it is the entrepreneurs’ task to remain competitive. If price/performance are no longer in proportion, then consumers can point that out by buying cheaper somewhere else. Even if it’s abroad... The fact is that I can get pretty much EVERYTHING cheaper abroad (especially in Eastern Europe). If everyone thought like that and awarded contracts abroad, there would be no local craft businesses left in the short or long term. The contracts then shift, for example, to Poland and push prices up there. That helps neither the German economy nor the people living in Poland who, despite the lower wage level, have to buy kitchens at German prices... Of course, all this is somewhat hypothetical now, but I think many don’t see the big picture and the impact of each individual’s actions.

Ultimately, everyone is free to decide where to buy what. It just bothers me that people always want everything, but apparently aren’t willing to pay the market price for it. The OP here is no exception. The configuration of his kitchen is actually not standard and in my opinion the price is reasonable!

Edit: Strangely enough, hardly anyone complains about the prices of German cars! Why? It’s exactly the same as with houses, kitchens, or windows!
 

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