Detached house ~ 150 sqm for 5 people

Hey, I managed to get the fireplace in quite well during the last game fun, small but nice:


Only the kitchen is still a bit unloved. For something like that, we have Kerstin (kbt09) here.

Yes, it passed me by. Sorry! The development plan only allows gable roofs or hip roofs. As well as a maximum of 2 full floors. As far as I saw yesterday, nothing more is stated. I would have to ask the architect what he was thinking.

Yes, please, I’m eager to find out.

But the dormers are off the table for now anyway.

I don’t necessarily see it that way. If you have now read (and understood) my post—the latter probably requires three reads and an Underberg for the unpracticed—then it should have become clear to you that you actually don’t have real dormers, but rather transverse roofs (dormers would rest on the roof—usually on its knee wall, whereas transverse roofs continue the exterior wall); that the roof in front of the "dormers" is thus an unnecessarily large eave for the roof structure; and consequently this can be omitted here and wouldn’t prevent windowsills sliding below the belt line of the knee wall. Your concern

With a 1.30m knee wall, the dormers are no longer feasible anyway without the windowsills being forever high.

I therefore consider this a comprehensible layman’s error. After all, it was this misunderstanding of yours that initially prompted me to recognize the atypical design of your "dormers."

I don’t necessarily see it that way. If you have now read (and understood) my post – the latter probably requires reading three times and an Underberg for the unpracticed – then you should have realized that you don’t actually have true dormers, but rather transverse houses (dormers would sit on the roof – usually on its knee wall – transverse houses, however, extend the outer wall); that the roof in front of the "dormers" is thus a roof overhang that is structurally unnecessary for the roof frame; and consequently, this can be omitted here and would not block window sills sliding under the beltline of the knee wall. Your concern

yes, I think I understand it now. You mean this difference, right?

Dormer
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Knee wall arbitrary

And this is what is planned for us.
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right?

I agreed with the architect that we will send him an email with our questions and he will have the weekend to gather ideas. We can get an appointment on Wednesday.

If we decide to keep the open concept, the points would be:

- Untangle the stairs
- Adjust the upper floor
- Dormer instead of "transverse house"
- Raise the knee wall

happy?

Is that possible? Such a built-up dormer and the bay window below on the dining area side? I could imagine it looks awkward. I guess we will then have to choose one.

You mean this difference, right?

Dormer

Knee wall arbitrary

And this is then what is planned for us.

I don't know that: the upper picture is not a dormer, but a cross-gable roof - precisely because it grows up standing on the outer wall; and yes, the knee wall is more variable in this case. In the lower picture it is not recognizable whether it is a dormer or a cross-gable roof - precisely because the picture section does not extend far enough down to see if there is only roof overhang under the windows or partly also actual roof.

Ok, I probably didn’t understand it after all.

If you have now read (and understood) my post – the latter probably requires three readings and an Underberg for beginners – then it should have reached you that you don’t actually have real dormers, but rather cross-gables (dormers would rest on the roof – usually on its knee wall – whereas cross-gables continue the exterior wall); that the roof in front of the "dormers" is therefore a roof overhang that is structurally unnecessary for the roof frame; and consequently this can be omitted here and would not prevent window sills from sliding below the knee wall’s belt line.

I have now read it three times... so...

I have cross-gables – does that mean my "dormer" rests on the exterior wall? We probably have the roof overhang so the terrace is covered. I think he mentioned that once. But I didn’t think further about it because I didn’t see any disadvantage at that time.

So the dormer rests behind (i.e., inside) the exterior wall on the roof frame? Is that correct now?

So the dormer is therefore sitting behind (i.e. inside) the outer wall on the roof structure? Now correct?

That is correct - mind you, it's not about my pedantry over terms, but about your realization that a higher knee wall here does not force your window sills upward.