Detached house ~ 150 sqm for 5 people

No, but that is the gable version, which is supposedly much more expensive.

mhm ok... I'll make another appointment with the architect today. I think we still have a bit to discuss XD

What I just want to ask in passing: The exterior wall is drawn with 25 cm. But then there will be insulation added on the outside, right?

What I just want to ask in passing: The exterior wall is marked as 25cm. But there will be insulation added on the outside, right?

yes, 24cm sand-lime brick and insulation is added on the outside.

I would like to present 3 variants for discussion. I’m not concerned about the floor plan right now, since most of that has already been noted and we’ll go through it tonight. This is more about the dormer / front extension / knee wall. Possibly also which solution would be the most cost-effective.

1. One could build the house as planned. Front extension dining area covered and the large dormer. Knee wall 75cm in the plan, 1m if compromises are made with the dormer -> we will clarify this with the architect.
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Advantages in my opinion:
- better usable (larger?) rooms
- you can easily look out of the windows

Disadvantage:
- appearance?
- knee wall <=1m, therefore less space in the attic

2. As in the picture but moving the front extension to the right so that it fits our floor plan (dining area). Raise the knee wall to 1.15m and roof windows for the children’s rooms.
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Advantage:
- appearance?
- full ceiling height for the bedroom – thus eliminating the first criticism

Disadvantage:
- smaller children’s rooms without dormer?
- due to the high knee wall, the children have a harder time looking out of the roof window
- greater effort to swap kitchen and living room

3. The front extension as in the picture in the middle, knee wall 1.15m

Advantage:
- one could quite easily swap kitchen and living room, dining area in the middle
- appearance?
- space in the attic

Disadvantage:
- sloping roof in the master bedroom above the bed but possibly not so bad due to the knee wall?
- smaller rooms without dormer?
- due to the high knee wall, the children have a harder time looking out of the roof window

The floor plan (with possible changes) could be implemented with all variants. I’m more concerned about the implementation with dormer and lower knee wall or massive front extension and higher knee wall.

What do you think? Or are these questions too fundamental for a thread like this?

Or are these too basic questions for such a thread?

Well, that's already getting to the heart of the matter. Anyone just skimming over it probably doesn't even know what you mean.

I'm afraid these are also questions that have a lot to do with taste and budget. That's why everyone will say something different.

My personal opinion: I find it absolutely wrong to legitimize the botched job in the attic by installing or offsetting a gable.

I estimate that dormers will be cheaper for you. It will certainly just be a matter of money. If you put in so many, the low knee wall hardly matters anymore. However, the areas under the dormers often are no longer usable spaces. The room then looks bigger and friendlier, but you don’t know where to put the bed. Of course, it depends. Therefore, plan the furniture in advance and see if it works.

At the peak, the dormer also widens the room a bit – I hadn’t considered that. You’re right. As I said – the 2-meter lines would be very important here to get an impression.

In the end, you shouldn’t lose sight of the exterior view either. Personally, I prefer gables – for roof dormers, I only find the bats nice. There, I would also immediately accept drawbacks in the knee wall...

Anyone who just skims the matter probably doesn’t even know what you mean

Well, then he probably won’t post anything either ^^ Whoever has been there from the start understands that, I think, right?

My personal opinion: I think it’s absolutely wrong to legitimize the mess in the upper floor by installing or shifting a gable.

The floor plan is scheduled for tonight, if we manage. If we were to choose, for example, variant 3, then you could easily shift the stairs and “untangle” the upper floor.

I reckon the dormers will be cheaper for you. It will certainly just come down to money. If you put in so many, you hardly notice the low knee wall anymore. However, the areas under the dormers often are no longer usable as floor space. The room then feels bigger and friendlier but you don’t know where to put the bed. Of course, it depends. That’s why you should plan the furniture in and see if it works.

Yes, in the end it’s a money question. Bat dormer would surely get really expensive.

At the peak, the dormer also widens the room a bit – I hadn’t thought of that. You’re right there. As said, the 2m lines would be very important here for an impression.

We’ll go to the architect again with this and he can probably show us that.