Wall construction and insulation for Kfw 70 house, okay?

Hello €uro,

That is already the first problem with the project. "It has to be quick" is the best recipe for a money pit. An ancient sales trick. Often only on paper. In reality, such properties sometimes don't even meet energy saving regulation standards.

I have already written this here – feels like a thousand times – not all BU/GU/architects/sellers are bad guys; maybe in the future you could at least add the qualifier "cheap providers" to statements like this?

Then I say, just how it all started, it’s total junk.

That puts “Livestrong” in varied company – very few builders decide beyond the offered price; how should they know otherwise when building is not part of their daily tasks, and there is the worldwide web with thousands of competent “federal (house building) trainers”? Cheap is cool? Fine, we find them – once the money pit is created – again in the weekly reality shows (even with a compensation) – but according to you, only the bad BU/GU/architects/sellers are to blame. Far from it – there are bad guys on both sides, only then does the game work :(

It’s not enough just to put your finger on the wound, €uro, you have to explain a bit more – so far I assume it is also your goal to make life harder for the “black sheep.” Only with sarcasm will we not reach this goal, not even scratch it ;)

Best regards

Hello,

What does your planner say about it? Someone has to advise you on the house sale.

Regards

Hello construction expert,

.. not all BU/GU/architects/sellers are bad guys; ....

I have never claimed that either.

maybe in future statements of this kind you could at least add the term "low-cost providers"?

Certainly, the risks for the builder that an alleged "bargain" turns into a money pit are significantly higher with "low-cost providers." However, a higher selling price, i.e. not a "low-cost provider," is neither a quality feature nor a safety criterion for the builder!
I recommend relating the price asked to the final energy consumption (consumption forecast under BV-specific conditions).
This quickly separates the wheat from the chaff. ;) Strangely, alleged "premium providers" also stand out negatively here.

..– but then, in your opinion, only the bad BU/GU/architects/sellers are to blame. Far from it – bad guys exist on both sides; only then does the game work :(

I really find it inappropriate to call a naive builder a bad guy!
It is human nature to want to get as much as possible for as little money as possible. This by no means makes the builder a "bad" guy!
Naive, gullible, inexperienced yes, but not bad!

...It is not enough just to put your finger in the wound ....We will not achieve this goal with sarcasm, not even scratch it ...

As is well known, many roads lead to Rome. A direct sentence is sometimes more helpful than a multi-page treatise with well-measured circumlocutions. ;)
Best regards

There is no question of cheapness or junk. The entrepreneur has an excellent reputation and everyone is enthusiastic about his expertise. He has learned his craft from a young age. The trust is great. The statement was that 12.5 is sufficient but 16 makes sense. More can then be too much of a good thing. There was never any pressure from the seller, quite the opposite. If a buyer appeared, I would be informed. I just want to start soon. Today I met friends at the gym who also confirmed that the construction is okay. They built exactly the same years ago but with 10 cm insulation. The company has been building for 25 years and I have found no negative opinions from builders. Thanks, Bauexperte, for the PM, I agree with you. I have trust and next week I have the discussions where we will finalize everything. One of the future neighbors had the construction contract checked and their lawyer found everything okay.

Met friends at the gym today who also confirmed to me that the construction is okay. Years ago they built the same way, just with 10 cm insulation.

Then everything is fine ;)

Regards

Hello,

I really think calling an inexperienced builder a bad guy is completely out of line! It is human nature to want to get as much as possible for as little money as possible. That doesn’t make the builder a "bad" guy! Naive, inexperienced, sure, but not bad!

Because this is exactly not said – always only one side being hammered on – many of the questionable providers on the market have it very easy.

Some examples, representative of many from my daily experience:

At the beginning of last year, we negotiated with a prospect from Cologne – a freelancer at a private broadcaster – about a small single-family house. Again and again, he came back to us with the argument that his other provider was much cheaper than our offer. When I asked why he hadn’t already signed there, he smiled. My personal opinion: he wanted our service at the price of the cheap provider. When he then named the provider to us, I couldn’t believe my ears, because the said provider was on the verge of insolvency. So we asked him to have a credit report pulled via his bank and then get back to me if he wanted to continue negotiating with us. If I was astonished before, now I was speechless; quote: "I don’t need a report anymore, I know the company’s condition. If he doesn’t build my house, I’ll put him on TV …."

We are currently building a semi-detached house in a district of Cologne – our builders were the first and thus set the pace. The possible second building partner did not take long to come forward and we met with him for a consultation. During the conversation it quickly became clear that he would not be able to handle this construction project financially – not even with a lot of own equity – in the planned size, so we tried to calmly explain the actual situation to him. However, he insisted on his wish and so we withdrew. Another, probably cheaper provider saw his chance and secured the contract. The conclusion: it was built on the boundary – insulation of the party wall of his semi-detached house is no longer possible, the boundary distance to the street was undershot and much more. The worst part about it all is that our builders will have a construction site next to them in the long term because the builder simply lacks the funds to complete the construction in the medium term.

About 3 weeks ago, we lost an order because the interested parties listened to their good friend – a retired architect. The object was a cube, due to the construction (setback storey, roof terrace, etc.) and city requirements regarding sound insulation, our offer was EUR 30,000 above the architect’s estimate. So no further negotiations took place and the interested party signed with a local builder whose offer was within the architect’s estimate. As coincidence would have it, I often work with the contractor appointed by that builder. He told me that the builder, architect, and now the client are at odds because our offer actually reflected the truth….

…and I’m not even writing about the times when I built myself …to be continued …

It is human nature to want to get as much as possible for as little money as possible. That doesn’t make the builder a "bad" guy! Naive, inexperienced, sure, but not bad!

For your information: The word “pöse” comes from the film “Life of Brian” and describes the type of person who always only looks out for their own advantage; I assumed you would know the term.

It is legitimate to want to get as much value for your money as possible, that corresponds to the laws of the market economy. However, it is by no means the case that all builders who find themselves on TV/newspaper/in court did not receive sufficient signals for their actions in advance; sometimes simply curbing the phenomenon “stinginess is cool” would have sufficed. I occasionally work with an expert who also works for the TV production in Cologne, as well as professionally with a court-appointed expert. If you don’t believe me, I can gladly put you in touch…

Kind regards