Prioritizing horticulture. Do you want to have the entire garden planned?

I would also wait with the pool until the children are older. Water is so tempting, but dangerous for the little ones. I wouldn't want to have that stress for years. Maybe you could already have a hole dug and "mask" it with a flush trampoline until the pool is built? Even 2-year-olds would benefit from that.

I think the idea is great!

I also believe that it will not be the pool in the beginning. We do not have enough budget to have it executed. Or one would have to use cheap material elsewhere, which is not the goal either, because it is installed for 20 years and longer.

We will plan the pool, possibly have pipes etc. prepared, but otherwise will most likely forgo it. A pool for €30,000 of acceptable quality and with child safety cover etc. is certainly not feasible.

We are now supposed to record our ideas on Pinterest and provide them to the garden planner in this form.

I also really find the stress too much. You can't just leave the children alone in the garden for years, not even briefly. Even with a cover, something can always happen and you won't notice. A child falling from a tree and breaking an arm can be heard calling and you can help. In the pool, you simply have no chance if you don't happen to see it. Sorry for the scare tactics, but we have such a sad case in the extended family ourselves. I think for the few warm weeks a year, a nice above-ground pool that can be dismantled after the season is enough. It might be worth paving an area with a path for it, where you can later place a seating area when the pool is no longer needed. I think the path is important so that the children don’t constantly drag grass into the pool. A garden shower is also nice.

We have an appointment on 26.6. where a rough concept will be presented to us. We are very excited.

hi,
I read through the whole thread. Hotzenplotz’s percentage benchmarks aren’t that far off after all.

A brief side comment on the topic of pools: as far as I know, from a certain depth (1.50 or 1.60m) you need a LIFEGUARD.

Overall, we spent just under 60k on the basics in the outdoor area, plot size 510 sqm.

[*]Retaining wall (nothing special, just under 25m, just under 3k euros, the contractor handled that)
[*]Fence system (8m wooden privacy screen, brand Joda, mid-range quality, about 21m double rod mat just under 6k euros)
[*]Terraces, paths and driveway made of basalt small pavers, bed edging (the small pavers drove the costs up, it’s just something different than concrete stones), earthworks, ground preparations etc. were then just under 50k euros

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[*]Water features
[*]Pools
[*]Swimming ponds

Areas were made ready for planting, we planted ourselves. I would also estimate material costs for plants and mulching at around 10k (so far, still not finished), time expenditure hundreds of hours. I bought the plants as cheaply as possible over in Holland and not at the local perennial boutique.

If you go 1-2 levels above the quality standard of a hardware store, it just gets expensive. Small pavers in segmental arcs can’t just be installed by any "I’ll do it on the side" garden landscaper, just like expensive large-format natural stone slabs. Originally, 25k was planned for the outdoor area (benchmark from some internet forum), that would have allowed for a very basic standard.

I got several (6) offers, also from other regions, including one from the guy from the village who wanted to do it for cash on the nail. The market is overheated right now, the garden landscapers charge extra for that, and you have to expect months of waiting, that’s also marked up.

I want to emphasize Müllerins statement about the size of the trash bin once again. Just for comparison, here in my rental building we have an 80 l residual waste bin for 3 households with a total of 5 people. It is emptied every 6 weeks. Theoretically, emptying every 2 weeks would be possible. I also consider 120 l with the possibility of emptying every 2 weeks, assuming that organic waste is separated, to be sufficient even during the phase of using diapers for toddlers.