New single-family house in southern Germany

  • Erstellt am 2020-11-18 00:43:46

ypg

2020-12-19 01:37:54
  • #1
There is no house idea yet?
 

WilderSueden

2020-12-19 21:32:50
  • #2
My main problem with decentralized ventilation is that I then have a hole in every room and I doubt whether that is really good acoustically. Although we are building on the edge of the village, far away from busy streets, I am still not sure if it is necessary. Fan noise is also a bit of an issue, but I think that with high-quality fans a lot can be achieved. Otherwise, there is the point that I have so far mostly only read about decentralized fans in connection with large houses (= central ventilation would have to be per housing unit) and low-cost providers. His main problem with central fans is germs and dirt in the ventilation, which personally worries me less. And I believe that a personal preference of the general contractor for manual ventilation also plays a role in that he prefers the simpler solution.

There are many house ideas, including many that we would build. Since we have so far mostly been in the area of providers with ready-made plans, these are of course quite diverse. What they all have in common is an L-shaped open plan kitchen and the study on the ground floor, mostly in the northwest corner. Although the local general contractor’s draftsman rather places it in the east-southeast corner. I actually like that quite a lot since you can directly see the parcel delivery person when he comes ;). If we build with them, I would certainly open a thread to discuss floor plans. Discussing the floor plan of a prefabricated home provider seemed only limitedly useful to me, as larger changes are prohibitively expensive anyway.
 

WilderSueden

2020-12-19 23:28:10
  • #3
Maybe at this point a few thoughts on the topic of house ideas, floor plans, and building partners. In the thread by , things are heating up again and an architect is being recommended. At some point, the question will certainly come up here again as to why we have so far mostly gone with prefabricated house builders or standard house models. Many factors play a role in this, the most important certainly being that originally we didn’t want to build at all but buy something, and my personal distrust toward architects as a profession. The — perhaps somewhat naive — assumption that a pre-designed house is cheaper surely also plays a role.

Building a pre-designed house is of course much closer to buying an existing property than planning freely. Instead of thinking about where you want the stairs and where a window has to be, you flip through the catalog and choose a floor plan. I honestly don’t believe our needs are so special that they couldn’t be satisfied by a standard house model. When I wrote in the last post that we would build various floor plans, I think that should be understood more as we would buy a house with the floor plan and be happy with it. A house designed by an architect always seemed exclusive to me, for people who either really build exclusively or consider themselves so special that they think the architect has to add a little corner somewhere to be exclusive (see also willful indentations and edges in car sheet metal). Actually, we just want to build a completely normal house on a rectangular, almost flat plot, like thousands of others do every year. Somehow it doesn’t seem obvious to also pay an expensive architect to draw a floor plan that you can find one way or another in 15 catalogs. (At that time, I didn’t yet know that you can also leave a lot of money to the architect even with a prefabricated house ;) ).

That doesn’t help that my impression of architects has so far been rather negative. Honestly, who comes up with the idea to plan an elevator that you can only reach by stairs? Who comes up with planning floor-to-ceiling windows, 2 meters wide, where you can only open a tiny loophole, by the way in a building without air conditioning? I think you understand what I mean: architects are the people who either design outrageously expensive villas, make football stadiums look like bird nests (totally innovative...) or produce huge rubbish that any normal person could plan better. And all the while, greedily holding out their hand. Not exactly the starting point at which you would go to an architect when you want to build.

A bit has crystallized in the last few weeks that all of this is not quite that simple after all. Moving the front door from the north side to the east side at the prefabricated house builder is almost equivalent to rotating the house 90 degrees. Apparently, all people seem to live south of the street... or it seems not to matter. Prefabricated houses apparently are usually not handed over finished but without floors and without painting. If you have vinyl flooring included in the offer, you get click vinyl for 140€/sqm (hopefully gold-plated on the underside) with a thick cork layer laid on top of the expensive low-temperature underfloor heating. Prefabricated houses are quick to assemble but it takes months on the waiting list before a truck arrives. And all the work that still has to be done on site, although it obviously should be included with a house...

In short, everything is very confusing right now and decisions are difficult. Maybe the local general contractor is actually a good entry point into the topic of individual planning. Since it has mostly been about making a rough cost estimate so far, not much of the designs are particularly individual yet, but if you don’t want to estimate costs in the (built-up) vacuum, at least a rough draft is needed. Certainly a few appointments to refine it will be necessary before you can submit an application. The advantage would, of course, be that in the end you don’t pay for deviations from a standard design but for the design itself. And the structural engineer would have the advantage of not being affected by my (pre)judgments about architects. Let’s see what comes out of the estimate, but definitely 15 model houses do not have to be co-financed.

(I hope I’m not confusing anyone too much now. But I think sometimes it doesn’t hurt to put your thoughts into words and some might even find it interesting)
 

ypg

2020-12-19 23:44:39
  • #4
No, you misunderstood that. Only if someone gets so unsettled and needs someone they constantly and repeatedly have to ask about the pros and cons, even if it is just for their good gut feeling, should sit down with a professional for an hour or longer and not with a salesperson. And yes: this also applies to the floor plan design.
 

11ant

2020-12-20 00:07:57
  • #5
In a house with several residential units, I would not immediately call it decentralized if each unit has its own separate central ventilation. I believe you are overall getting confused by the complex tangle. Whether or not controlled residential ventilation is used, and if so, whether central or decentralized, is a question you should first clarify for yourself. And after that, you should apply my Steinemantra to controlled residential ventilation as well and avoid wanting to build with a contractor who only "knows" one variant, not the other. Even with a rectangular house on a slab foundation lot, it is helpful to have a planner and construction manager who spares you the disfigurements caused by boxed-in pipes and so on. And they are also useful when the floor plan is not a groundbreaking new composition. Take an architect for the "other" 97% of his profession, not for the floor plan painting. This is neither a privilege nor even a peculiarity of the architect profession, that the biggest stars in the spotlight are not recruited from among the best specialists. You don’t become a good deceiver if you get entangled with such childish stuff as expertise. Wishing an entire profession to hell because of a few useless people won’t get you anywhere. You must forbid your fears from determining the guidelines of your house construction!
 

ypg

2020-12-20 00:24:20
  • #6


Your main problem, I believe, is that you equate apartment construction with house building.
 

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