New construction - How to build economically sensibly?

  • Erstellt am 2017-08-07 13:09:12

Bauherr2018

2017-08-08 11:52:27
  • #1
just found the following:
Klima-innovativ.de/pages/kosten.HTML What do you say to that?
 

toxicmolotof

2017-08-08 12:14:31
  • #2


Seriously? If you use this argument (probably rightfully so), then at least back it up with realistic numbers.

If your house requires 50 euros per month for the heat pump, 10 euros for additional electric heating capacity is a drop in the bucket.
 

11ant

2017-08-08 12:45:07
  • #3

Your post altogether sounds a lot like insider information from the FKS. So not KGB, but customs.

Less meat – says the hotdog eater.
Sausages are not meat. I’m only a second-generation non-butcher, you can believe me on that.


Oh. Yes, then you really phrased the question very ambiguously.

This question is now quite different, but just as difficult to answer in a "generally valid" way:

Take, for example, the question of heating technology, focusing only on energy carrier and method, leaving out underfloor heating or radiators. The ongoing costs for operation and maintenance are much higher than what the installation costs – but the builder only earns on the installation (he doesn’t get a bonus from the gas company for your consumption or anything like that). Even on this differing “basis of measurement,” the question of what is better for whom among you diverges.

Or with wall construction: I can’t tell you whether the builder has more margin per cubic meter of Styrodur than per cubic meter of Poroton or Ytong. That is probably rather marginal for him – what matters is getting the contract. If KfW funding makes it more likely that you can afford a slightly bigger house than without, he will take that into account for that reason. He has no stake in energy policy – his business is to arrange stones so that a house forms in between, which is worth money to you.

Building materials are only a means to an end for him to finish houses. The shell is actually only the carrier of the fittings, on which more is earned than on the walls. Accordingly, there is not much fuss made about that. He wants materials his people can process routinely – that is important for productivity. He also doesn’t want to recalculate for every project which building material-insulation combination achieves which U-value. Including one with claddings, hardly any builder has more than three wall constructions on the menu. With or without bay window, outside there are only pitchers.

I believe that with your ideas about the variety you would suffer from in making your choice, you are still very much in theory. Adjust that in practice based on concrete offers from Müller, Huber, and Schmitz.
 

kaho674

2017-08-08 12:51:09
  • #4

Oh yes, you omnivores do make a distinction there, for whatever reason. But I believe the environmental effect is the same.
 

Nordlys

2017-08-08 12:56:28
  • #5
That's good. Payback period for air-water heat pump compared to gas is 20 years. Too long. The costs of the ground collectors are interesting if the site fits. Karsten
 

Nordlys

2017-08-08 12:57:33
  • #6
I just ate vegetarian. Pasta plus pesto verde, parmesan. That's it.
 

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