Vestaxx window heating - experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2021-11-13 20:56:37

Baranej

2022-10-11 11:36:16
  • #1
Oh, quickly read a few posts and I wouldn’t want the system just out of antipathy because of the impression of the writing style, etc. How can someone come across so unpleasantly in public discussions...
 

Tolentino

2022-10-11 11:37:54
  • #2
That is demonstrably not true. It either includes photovoltaics on both sides or on neither side, and you don’t like that because then your statement about the greater economic efficiency of your product can be falsified. I have already asked if you claim that household electricity consumption is different with Vestaxx heating operation. If yes, why should that be? But apparently you don’t understand what we want to tell you here. We say not, that you sell a bad product. As some have already written above, it makes sense for a very specific target customer (who in my opinion has not yet been completely described) in a narrow niche. But we say that your currently presented sales argument is bad. Because it is objectively refutable. You are convinced of your product and that is good. But think once more independently of the facts about whether it is sensible as a sales strategy to disparage and attack another product or if it is much better to find the optimal use case for your product and then see which type of customers are particularly affected by it. I assert that qualitative and quantitative customer research is needed here. If you don’t have the competencies for that (which is completely normal) there are consulting agencies for that.
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-11 12:00:35
  • #3


Strange again – here only my reactions are being scrutinized – the other posts were also all marked by objectivity – I find that very interesting. ;)

But well – hereby I expressly apologize for having reacted too emotionally in some posts to what I consider deliberately false statements. I let myself get drawn into discussions that quickly left the mutual factual level. That’s just an experience I’ve made here.

Bet that none of my "opponents" will apologize for their words. ;)

I came forward here publicly with my name and had to face anonymous writers whose interests lie hidden. I am still staying involved because I am happy to help interested parties who need experience values.
Completely factually – with healthy emotion and references to scientific findings.

Have a nice day and stay relaxed ;o)
 

RotorMotor

2022-10-11 12:12:46
  • #4
No conclusion or just not to your conclusion? I am happy to remain available for concrete change proposals (including justification). I scrolled through again, so far I could only find this: Actually, photovoltaics were included, household electricity in the relevant period as well, but I will gladly highlight it for you again in red: 150m² with 40kWh/m²a -> 6000kWh/a heating energy demand 10kWp photovoltaics + 5kWh storage -> ~15kWh/day in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb. With 10kWh for household electricity including hot water, 5kWh/day remain for heating The costs of photovoltaics are not listed in this example because the system already finances itself through feed-in tariffs and savings on household electricity. I omit hot water costs as both systems can provide it with SPF4 and thus it makes no difference; the electricity for hot water is included in household electricity in the calculation. Purchase electricity price 35ct/kWh Feed-in tariff price: 8.2ct/kWh Interest rate 3.5% (current interest for 10-year term) Electricity price increase 6% (average of the last 20 years) Vestaxx + Photovoltaics: Extra cost over normal windows: €10,000 Purchase and installation of BWWP: €5,000 Interest on purchase over 18 years: €5,239 Maintenance BWWP: €200/year 4 [months] * 30 [days] * 5 [kWh/day] = 600 [kWh] from photovoltaic electricity Remaining 5400kWh as purchased electricity Totals (on average, due to rising electricity prices) 5400*(35+35*1.06^18)/2+600*8.2 = €3,691/year After 18 years, that makes: €90,286 Heat pump + Photovoltaics: Hydraulics: €80/m²*150m = €12,000 Purchase air-water heat pump monoblock and installation: €20,000 Interest on purchase over 18 years: €11,176 Maintenance air-water heat pump: €250/year Electricity demand: 6000/4 = 1500kWh Remaining 900 as purchased electricity Totals (on average, due to rising electricity prices) 900*(35+35*1.06^18)/2+600*8.2 = €656/year After 18 years, that makes: €59,488 Vestaxx without photovoltaics: Extra cost over normal windows: €10,000 Purchase and installation of BWWP: €5,000 Interest on purchase over 18 years: €5,239 Maintenance BWWP: €200/year Totals (on average, due to rising electricity prices) 6000*(35+35*1.06^18)/2+600*8.2 = €3,691/year After 18 years, that makes: €94,558 Heat pump without photovoltaics: Hydraulics: €80/m²*150m = €12,000 Purchase air-water heat pump monoblock and installation: €20,000 Interest on purchase over 18 years: €11,176 Maintenance air-water heat pump: €250/year Electricity demand: 6000/4 = 1500kWh Totals (on average, due to rising electricity prices) 1500*(35+35*1.06^18)/2 = €1,011/year After 18 years, that makes: €65,878 This results in additional costs for Vestaxx of €30,798 in this example compared to the heat pump. So for 18 years, every month paying €142 more per month without having the underfloor heating remaining at the end of the term! All the money is gone to the energy supplier and largely converted into CO2.
 

kati1337

2022-10-11 12:16:25
  • #5
Oh , here you go again with those nasty numbers. Don’t you know you just didn’t understand it properly? You just have to watch the webinar, then it will all become clear! :D
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-11 12:17:48
  • #6

Now a storage system comes into play and static yield values are calculated (see red).
Always with the same goal, not to make the total cost consideration transparent.
Suddenly running text and no more tables.
The discussion leads nowhere - therefore I end it on my side now
 

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