Vestaxx window heating - experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2021-11-13 20:56:37

Christian 65

2022-10-05 14:10:46
  • #1
and a few more arguments: Shower partitions (one knows the glass panels of walk-in showers) which then function as surface heating instead of towel radiators, possibly also with integrated towel bars.

Basement windows, which then provide a basic heating at a low level, instead of installing radiators or underfloor heating for storage areas and secondary rooms.

Garage windows with the same effect. Being able to heat (warm up) a garage with this minimal effort if needed would have something.

Sauna windows for preheating??

Staircase windows, if the calculation provides for a warm staircase?

All installation locations where this type of heating could offer advantages over the usual.

Regards christian
 

RotorMotor

2022-10-05 14:13:17
  • #2
After 15 pages of "discussion," the crucial questions (future electricity prices, CO2 emissions, how much of the heating electricity can be covered by photovoltaic, ...) are simply still unanswered. And repeatedly going through the same long texts doesn't get us any further either.

If you really want to help builders, try to create a precise and clear comparison between heating systems (just to avoid misunderstandings again: a photovoltaic system is not a heating system).

I would also really be interested in how much CO2 the installation of a water-based underfloor heating system causes. If you lack information on this, just say so and please don't claim that it is way too much and that everyone can calculate it themselves.

I can only estimate here as well, but I assume that the few pipes will offset the saved consumption.
 

Christian 65

2022-10-05 14:19:37
  • #3
then also:

Windbreak balcony, creating a cozy corner and the heat lamp can disappear.

Skylights as a cold air brake

All, of course, can be switched on if needed, but it would be fun.

Roof windows for later attic expansion. Who likes to search for the supply/return pipes in the floor below?

Winter gardens, here too, retroactive heating is a big issue.

But, what do I know?
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-05 15:00:29
  • #4
I understand the argument! That’s why I just wanted to show here what our system includes and why we think it’s a topic for people who now have to decide on a heating system for their new building. For that, I wanted to provide information that is comprehensible – no, better – verifiable. But because of – how do I say this politely – preconceived opinions "etc." I am constantly rather only in defense mode. Anyone looking here for people with window heater experience will not find any. With us, yes – we have equipped about 150 new buildings with it and there are multi-year user experiences and of course consumption data. If anyone really wants to talk to one of the users or visit them, I will gladly try to arrange that.
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-05 15:18:02
  • #5


Hello Christian – first of all, thanks for your objections and hints – now it’s fun here again ;)

On the topic ... just buy a cheap car and then fuel costs don’t matter ... that is too short-sighted. It’s better to say: Buy a low-maintenance, inexpensive car with innovative technology that consumes three times as much fuel as the expensive car. With the money saved, you then buy a “gas station” (photovoltaic system), from which you get three times as much free fuel and can also refuel other cars with it. Everyone can decide freely, and that’s a good thing.

Outer pane for darkening
That already exists – unfortunately, one of the players (E-Control) filed for bankruptcy last year because the control was faulty. And unfortunately, the technology is way too expensive (1,000 €/m²) and currently not competitive against external sunshades.

Electric shutters
Here the customers decide – some for, some against. Shutters do not interfere with the window heating. Synergies are even used since the shutters also need power supply and the electrician can lay a 5-core cable at the same time. We don’t advise pro or contra shutters – that’s not our topic. But your described advantages are certainly helpful.
 

WilderSueden

2022-10-05 16:15:32
  • #6

I am less worried about production. With continuously high demand, enough companies will be found to produce heat pumps. As a company, you should know the concept that demand is satisfied ;)

And please, once an honest calculation without photovoltaics. For example, I can only get 15 kWp on my roof if I also cover the north side. With 9x10m plus roof overhangs minus side clearance, it’s more about well 50 sqm = 10 kWp per side. Surely you have also noticed that nowadays most new buildings have photovoltaics installed despite heat pumps because it’s worthwhile even so. I also find it unfortunate that you hardly addressed the topic of infrared heating on the wall vs. infrared heating in the window. In that discussion, I can simply cut out the photovoltaics, heat pump, and all the rest.

I have mentally worked it through: building envelope efficiency house 40 (actually 40+ and thus photovoltaics already set, but that cancels out). Living room 2 panels, bedroom, children’s room, 2 offices, 2 bathrooms each one. Makes 8 panels. Let’s assume €250 each (seems rather generous for the faster ones), then I get €2000 and can install them in under 2 hours.
Now your system: €10,000 and thus 5 times as expensive. I can place the panels quite freely and, if necessary, screw them to the ceiling, but the windows are fixed. What about in the bathroom? I only have small windows there; would something like that with 40 degrees surface temperature still warm properly? Also the shower behind the masonry partition?
 

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