Vestaxx window heating - experiences?

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Tolentino

2022-10-10 17:20:18
  • #1

Yes, because you are not comparing two systems with the same costs, but two systems with costs a + b with one system with costs c. Coincidentally, today the total investment of a + b = c. But a and b are two different investments. You would have to make a separate economic calculation for both.
Because – and here comes the clever part – since photovoltaics currently always have a positive economic calculation, you can currently always finance them externally. Photovoltaics pay for themselves. So you can also acquire them independently of the heating system.


Because only then it would be ONE investment and only then could it be considered in ONE economic calculation.

With your calculation, you could just as well calculate that someone with the saved investment costs for the technology also gets a bond package of your company and thereby generates a profit. Do you perhaps understand it now?
 

RotorMotor

2022-10-10 17:25:13
  • #2
So you would voluntarily prefer to pay X € to an energy provider rather than to a bank, so that you then own the more efficient heating system afterward? Yes, you could learn a lot from it. And thereby subsequently advise your customers fairly. But sure, the financial benefit for you personally might suffer as a result. So far, these people have shone with more concrete expertise and more complete calculations than you. I do believe it is tedious, though. At least for those who have already bought? Where exactly is the problem there? After all, it enables free and honest writing. Many of the posts are also from forum participants who have been active here for years, have written hundreds of posts, and have supported each other in planning houses and their heating systems. There are also many calculations and numbers that everyone can verify. Yes, thanks, that indeed makes it easier to classify the "posts."
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-10 18:24:08
  • #3


Then just take the 4500 kWh—you still can’t calculate well. Moreover, current and especially new construction will trend towards passive houses, and there we talk about 15 kWh/m², so for your example then 2,250 kWh and two-thirds of that = 1,500 kWh.

For the DHW heat pump maintenance costs—that’s a better refrigerator—do you maintain your refrigerator? So in your calculation, add another 20 × 200€ = 4,000€.

The heat pump reports errors—> and then it gets expensive ;o)

Nothing comes in winter—> I have a photovoltaic system and don’t know what’s wrong with yours. Just google monthly figures (you have time) from recognized institutes or via Photovoltaic-Sol. And it’s currently 8.6 cents/kWh (rising trend!). And that already helps—I calculated that. Just check again.

Regarding your remark that I have no idea about greenhouse gases because I criticize your Denglisch spelling, that is completely unfounded and simply embarrassing. YOU think you are so smart—makes me sick—and YOUR assessment is just completely wrong.

Say something about hand vs. forklift—> but nothing comes again. Better to be dumb and smartass.

Now to your factual remark (I won’t answer the nonsense at the beginning anymore in the future).
95% is the heat output inside and 5% the losses outside, measured by the Hermann Rietschel Institute at TU Berlin in a test room. We do NOT need transformers—we usually work directly with 230 V. You can google everything else—you have time.

I don’t have as much time as you (I prefer to take care of my customers) and will therefore only briefly reply to your nonsense—more on concrete questions gladly.
 

Fuchur

2022-10-10 18:40:43
  • #4

Why don’t you compare incomparable systems. If you obviously have a problem with heating cables in the screed (either because of the costs or because of the water), then the comparison object for your window heating is quite classically the air-to-air heat pump. Tested for ages, especially in prefabricated houses when it comes to saving heating costs.
Please do a comparison with that, I would really be interested! Since the costs of an air-to-air heat pump are lower, you could optionally calculate both heating methods with or without photovoltaics, then you would also get something comparable.
 

RotorMotor

2022-10-10 18:42:39
  • #5

That’s quite a killer again. The gentleman doesn’t even know that a BWWP and an air-to-water heat pump are basically the same technology.

So an air-to-water heat pump is just as much a refrigerator as a BWWP is a refrigerator.
The maintenance effort is therefore identical.
The only argument could be that spare parts for a full-fledged air-to-water heat pump might be somewhat more expensive because they are sometimes larger and more powerful.


We have all already checked multiple times and supported with numbers and sources.
The yield in winter is low. Therefore, it is not sufficient to operate a heating system.


Instead of rambling, claiming and insulting, a rebuttal would be appropriate.
 

OWLer

2022-10-10 19:45:42
  • #6
Now it’s slowly getting borderline. Wow.



So the much bigger lever for poor builders is the renunciation of the passive house standard. Building according to KFW 55 or the Building Energy Act and air-water heat pump or at most air-air heat pump is certainly equipped with the better price/performance ratio. Plus: Both can cool in summer.

With you, large window areas are needed, which then require TOP shading in summer.



So I have provided numbers. With which CO2 equivalents was your calculation made? Can we see them sometime? I professionally deal with life-cycle assessment – oh sorry, probably Lebenszykluserfassung or -analyse in German – in the context of sustainability projects.

I have clearly explained my calculation method – including also hand/forklift with involvement of several hundred kg of material for the heat pump and underfloor heating pipes. And with that one doesn’t get far over 1000 kg CO2 emissions. Unfortunately, that’s what your system emits MORE EVERY YEAR. So after 2-3 years at the latest, the CO2 footprint of the house installation has paid off compared to Vestaxx.

What mistake did I make in my calculation except rounding errors, or omitted valves amounting to a total of 20 kg of material?

Unfortunately, the "argumentation" is getting quite polemic and detached from facts. The stupid anonymous users here have provided numbers, interest rates, factors, assumptions and presented them transparently. The replies are statements that can be perceived as insults.
 

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