Vestaxx window heating - experiences?

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face26

2022-10-11 10:03:13
  • #1


That is the core of the whole thing for me.

In BW, the argument with photovoltaics is obsolete anyway, since photovoltaics are mandatory for new buildings.

Yes, but it’s no secret that for houses close to the passive standard, underfloor heating is not worthwhile. Only these are not budget-oriented builders and I would argue that in 80% (or even more) of the cases, a new building planned from today onwards and close to passive house standard is also planned with photovoltaics outside of BW. Therefore, the thing must be taken out of the comparison calculation.
The target group must be those houses that have such a low heating demand. But then the comparison must also not be made with heat pump + photovoltaics, because that was not even up for debate for those houses.
Then I compare with LLWP or comparable systems.

But as far as I’m concerned, , keep rubbing yourself the wrong way with the comparison to the budget-oriented kfw55 home builder... Don’t think you’re doing yourself any favors here.
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-11 10:32:37
  • #2

Unfortunately wrong!!! Here things are omitted (costs for underfloor heating) - prices for heat pumps are beautified - maintenance costs are specified that don’t occur - household electricity is left out again - photovoltaic yields calculated on 30 days with 5 kWh/day and 4 months, etc. etc. - unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately.

Please simply trust independent institutes and not some anonymous actors here.
For example
Dr.-Ing. Peter Kosack
PEKOHAUS®
Research institute for building energy technology

who has conducted many studies and measurement series comparing IR heating with heat pumps.
It says among other things:
In new buildings: -> Whoever says infrared heating - must also say photovoltaics!
In old buildings: -> Whoever says infrared heating - must also say photovoltaics plus heat pump!

What I have already written here several times: In old buildings the heat pump makes sense again - in new buildings not. Period!
 

RotorMotor

2022-10-11 10:54:45
  • #3
Oh, the first time "he agrees with my calculation," if now numbers and sources follow, I will gladly post the calculation again with different values. Otherwise, I will post it again as it is.


In professional circles, underfloor heating is also called hydraulics and is of course included:

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20,000€ for a heat pump including installation is already quite a lot and can be found this way (and also lower) by many experts.


It is about maintenance costs.
Air-water heat pumps and groundwater heat pumps are basically maintenance-free.
However, with both, pumps, valves, etc. can break down over time, which is taken into account by the maintenance costs.
Otherwise, please provide a reason or source as to why an air-water heat pump has maintenance costs but a groundwater heat pump does not. ;)


I already explained that. The household electricity does not affect the heating systems, but only the photovoltaic system.
The photovoltaic system is listed once in both cases and left out once.




That is an invalid conclusion.
Just because from A follows B, it does not follow from B that A.
Just because people always say photovoltaic, it does not mean they always say infrared heating.


Various calculations have already shown exactly the opposite.
 

Tolentino

2022-10-11 10:58:27
  • #4

I suspect these are the 12,000 EUR under "Hydraulics". Poorly expressed, but in terms of costs it fits.


No, why, that is almost exactly what I paid including everything, if I consider that my prices were from one and a half years ago (so plus price increases of about 30%).


Why, they do occur for the heat pump in all variants. Same technology, same maintenance. But even if you leave out the 200/year at Vestaxx, the difference is so big that we can gladly leave that out too and still no greater economic efficiency comes out.


He did include it in all variants. Or do you mean the household electricity consumption is lower at Vestaxx? The savings through photovoltaic are included in both photovoltaic variants (namely in the non-appearing costs for the photovoltaic), so it can be cut out in the comparison.
The higher initial investment is compensated by the higher interest costs.


In winter you often have days with less yield and those days tend to be particularly cold. That means assuming such an average is even rather positive for the self-consumption rate, thus positive for the Vestaxx calculation. Because on days when you have high yield, you won’t have higher self-consumption (for heating electricity) since you hardly need heating due to solar heat gains.
 

profil65

2022-10-11 11:16:26
  • #5

Sure? Can you prove that?
 

Vestaxx GmbH

2022-10-11 11:25:28
  • #6
As already stated -> the discussion with RotorMotor leads nowhere because he does not include photovoltaics and household electricity, so the comparison cannot work. End of discussion! Be happy with your heat pump – I’ll take care of my customers now. They understand me ;o)
 

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