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our HVAC contractor also accepts online orders and bills for the installation hours, so that works too. He just doesn’t take liability for the items that don’t come from him.

And that’s exactly where the hassle can (but doesn’t have to) start. Right at the transition between pipe installation (HVAC liability) and the porcelain (no liability), it leaks... only discovered months later because it gets wet underneath. What do you think the HVAC guy will say? “All good, I’ll cover the damage” or “nope, nope, that was the porcelain, I’m not responsible. Your bad luck!” And please don’t assume the guy is a do-gooder, but rather how unfortunately many (not all) craftsmen are experienced, especially in the gas-water-sh*t sector.
It’s not about the online stuff being lower quality or rejected goods. But for example, if the good plumber tightens something too hard and a hairline crack develops that you only notice later, the bickering starts. He will say: that wasn’t me, it was already on the porcelain, not my problem. If he takes on the entire trade, he is liable for it too. Then IT IS his issue. The open interface you allow there is exactly a potential weak point for liability questions.
By the way, I am still considering whether to draw the interface there myself, for the same reasons. The Reuter prices almost bring tears to your eyes... but is the risk worth it for me? I’m still thinking about it... it’s probably more a question of personal willingness to take risks than an objective decision about whether it’s right or wrong.
A neighbor had exactly that happen after 3 months in the new house, water damage in the basement due to an “installation problem.” The plumber is responsible because it’s one trade. I don’t want to imagine how it would be otherwise. And even if you are right, it doesn’t mean you will get it. When you have 30 cm of water in your basement, you don’t want to be fighting about how to resolve it and who will pay for it. But as I said, it’s purely a question of the severity of the damage and probability of occurrence combined with your own willingness to take risks...

I see it differently: if there is visible damage to the porcelain, then the matter is clear. I do not assume do-gooders but I also do not assume malice in everyone. "Installation" is covered by [TGA] and in case of "installation problems" the matter is settled. I would really only buy porcelain and no sealing rings etc. In addition, we work with the [TGA] who has been working with our architect for years and does not have a company headquarters somewhere, but is on-site and has a reputation to lose. Something can always happen, you can never be 100% protected.

The problem with hairline cracks is precisely that you don’t just see them easily. It was only an example; there are 1000 other things that can go wrong that you wouldn’t even dream of. As I said, it is a personal risk assessment. However, pretending that there is no risk at all, I consider naive and overly optimistic. And on the subject of do-gooders or bad people. I wasn’t trying to accuse anyone of ill intent. It is simply a subjectively biased view of the same matter in case of damage. I didn’t mean that the installer knowingly claimed that the porcelain was faulty, but from his perspective, just as you might be, he is convinced that the thing was okay – after all, you hadn’t seen anything before. It’s also not about cases involving €2.40, but cases where considerable damage has occurred. And you can be sure that your TGA is no benefactor and will readily take on the high four-figure amount if the situation is unclear. Why should he? If he is convinced that it was due to the material provided on site, it would also be total economic nonsense to pay here. I could understand him there as well. So this has nothing to do with malice. The point is only that you create this potential situation through the interface that otherwise would not arise. One should just be aware of that. It is perfectly legitimate to accept the risk, only I would find it irresponsible to sugarcoat the world and pretend it doesn’t exist just because you have the $ signs in front of your eyes [emoji6] There is a very wide spectrum of risk tolerance; some build houses on a handshake and without a contract, others send the architect a 100-page requirements document. All of that exists and can also go well. Can, not must. And what one is willing to risk, everyone has to know for themselves. I’m not saying more than that. In that sense: good luck

I never claimed that something like this would never happen!? I also don’t pretend it doesn’t exist, I just see it differently and simply have a different opinion. In case of unclear circumstances: an expert can help! It’s just like that: everyone as they like and believe in what they do. There are countless opinions on every subject, what is important here is only to know that there are such TGA companies where you can of course also purchase and install the sanitary fixtures (and thus the complete warranty is ensured). And if you decide to get the fixtures yourself, then there is naturally a risk involved and if it can be proven that damage is caused by the fixtures, then you just have bad luck. It’s basically like with many do-it-yourself tasks, if something goes wrong, you have to pay for it out of your own pocket.

That's because of internet shipping. I don't see why I should pay sometimes twice as much money just because it doesn't come through an online shop but through the three-tier mafia-like sanitary direct sales network, which in my opinion is completely outdated.

Am I really already outdated if the thought of receiving ceramics by parcel service sends a shiver down my spine?

Am I really already out of touch if the thought of receiving ceramics by parcel service sends shivers down my spine?

I receive everything by parcel service. Flat-screen TVs, ovens, furniture... except for groceries and half of my clothes, I no longer buy anything in physical stores. But not always to save money, also because of the higher comfort.