How can one circumvent the Energy Saving Ordinance and avoid bureaucratic madness?

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-08 19:26:56

Bieber0815

2017-07-12 16:01:27
  • #1
Exactly, they are building according to the Energy Saving Ordinance, it was not searched for that here. Still interesting ...
 

Caspar2020

2017-07-12 16:11:55
  • #2


True Here was the tin foil hat edition

And one sentence about Mr. F; I really don't care at all what kind of expert he is, or isn't. But the way he "sells" his knowledge is a real imposition. You really have to have a serious problem with poorly done insulation to even spend more than 15 minutes on his website ops:
 

kaho674

2017-07-12 17:18:01
  • #3

My sister apparently had someone on the phone once. They claimed that they also use the old materials. Whether they achieve 100% now, I don't know. But for now, they pretend to.
 

Farilo

2017-07-12 20:23:29
  • #4


Hi Thomas,

thanks for the info.
This option goes on the list. Wood is still in the running.
Let’s see what it will be in the end...



Hi Caspar2020,
I’ll take off the tin foil hat as soon as I live in a house sealed off from the outside world like most here. That is protection enough from everything and everyone.

Let’s see if it ever happens...

Regarding Konrad Fischer’s website, I am 100% with you! It’s just not acceptable.
His presentations are also really bad.

But in many points, he has good arguments. I would have liked to see those debated directly between him and one of the insulation lobbyists.


Regards
 

Nordlys

2017-07-12 23:46:30
  • #5
The world is not black and white, but a shade of gray. We have experience with subsequent insulation on three properties. First, a daycare center built in 1963. Sand-lime brick faced, air gap, single glazed. ETICS applied, mold problems in one group room, cause thermal bridge to the roof, after upgrading the roof insulation the problem was solved. Secondly, a residential building from 1969, construction like the daycare center. ETICS, old wooden windows retained, only double glazed, no problems. Thirdly, a multipurpose building from 1979. Poroton brick faced. Different concept. All wooden windows triple glazed with added layers, new rubber seals, perlite blown into the air gap. No problems. Heating cost savings around 25% for all properties. It was right to keep the wooden windows, as they were intact, since they are not so airtight. Living or room climate pleasant, maximum heating cost savings not achieved, but mold avoided. Karsten
 

Bieber0815

2017-07-13 00:40:57
  • #6
There are photos on their website, I would say: Poroton. And the windows are certainly installed according to RAL with compressed sealing tape (by the way, that is "chemistry"). The roof is surely insulated as well, who would want to heat the sky (energy saving ordinance?); certainly mineral wool with vapor barrier/vapor retarder (both "chemistry"). The fancy shutters are -- I dare to claim -- painted with modern coatings (wood protection, aging protection). Both the protection and the colored pigment are "chemistry." One could go on forever like this and review the remaining trades (electrical, heating, sanitary, ...).

I find these "old" villas quite beautiful and appreciate the overall design with garden and enclosure. But don't try to convince me of that nonsense about old materials.
 

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