How can one circumvent the Energy Saving Ordinance and avoid bureaucratic madness?

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-08 19:26:56

ypg

2017-07-09 23:27:25
  • #1


A statement is not an insult...!

If you have no idea about something, it’s not bad... according to the headline you want to bypass something you have no idea about, and I could quote Lumpi now, but I won’t. I also have no idea [emoji23]

Good night!
 

Farilo

2017-07-09 23:28:47
  • #2

I never said that you insulted me personally either
Good night
 

Farilo

2017-07-09 23:46:52
  • #3
Okääääy...


Perfect! That’s where I want to go. (Sometimes it sounded exactly the other way around. Not from everyone! But some posts gave the impression that ultra-insulation was mandatory.)




Wow! That doesn’t actually sound like most of the users here in the forum! There are quite a few here who know the subject well along with their own jobs. At least that’s the impression. (Who am I to judge that realistically…). All the more surprising that not many implement it?!

I have time without end. Only lack brainpower so far. But that will come with time! LOL I’ll take a look at various materials for my extension. Let’s see what’s possible.


I admit that the title was unfortunately chosen! If I had known that so many here would feel hurt and attacked by it, I definitely would not have chosen it that way.

It also depends on how, when, where, and for how much insulation is installed. Insulation can therefore certainly make sense. If you can believe Mr. Fischer, then often it just doesn’t.

In this spirit...

Good night
 

toxicmolotof

2017-07-09 23:57:53
  • #4
I have two houses right next to each other here. A 2015 KS stone without Enterprise technology, but with meters of Styrofoam. And a 1960 aerated concrete without energy refurbishment.

And this year I don’t want to leave either of the two buildings unnecessarily open for even a second. Because then both buildings overheat equally. Only with the difference that the new house, hermetically sealed, is just 25° warm, whereas next door it’s nearly hitting 30°.

A proper energy insulation therefore concerns not only winter, but also summer with regard to heat protection.

If I now throw the windows wide open during the day in both houses, the result is initially the same. Warm, warm, warm.

The Enterprise technology now ensures that you don’t have to throw open the windows at night. I don’t have the technology, so I throw open the windows.

But what speaks against a monolithic insulation if you don’t want a block of Styrofoam? Or a timber frame construction?
 

Mycraft

2017-07-10 09:08:55
  • #5


That's because you rant against insulation without understanding the physics behind it... but that's slowly coming along.



You might be surprised, but very few houses have meter-thick insulation... it is rather the monoliths without insulation that then resemble a bunker...



Everyone here wants that... and houses with standard insulation don't perform as badly in terms of price/performance as one might think...



No, why should you? As others have already said, in winter yes... but you always have that regardless of how a house is built...



Hey, 100 points! You're starting to understand...



No, because the cold air is warmed within minutes since it's warm inside the house... the house is insulated, so all the furniture/walls/people etc. are part of the heating system... and everything inside has a much higher temperature than the cold air from outside. So energy must of course be used to warm the cold air, but this happens relatively quickly and efficiently. In a house from around 1900 you have cold walls etc. and that leads to the known problems.



No, that is not nonsense... it is exactly like that...



Yes, but you have windows... so the heat comes in, and in large amounts... that’s why passive houses usually have a south orientation, preferably with a full glass facade.



Yep, that’s the only way to really understand all that.



As I already wrote, that is quite possible... with a aerated concrete block, for example, you can do a lot without a mm of insulation.



Not everyone who is active here daily is described by my statement, that’s the broad mass, people who just go to the general contractor and say “Build me a house.”

And personally, I see absolutely no problems with insulation... why should I build a bunker if I achieve the same with an inch-wide insulation on the facade?



Changed!



Just don’t listen... Mr. Fischer’s personal pride simply does not allow him to recognize and approve professionally incorrectly constructed facades.
 

Nordlys

2017-07-10 09:24:56
  • #6
Long story short. I will not try to convert you. I will tell you what is possible with the Energy Saving Ordinance without Styrofoam and without Enterprise. A aerated concrete wall, Ytong or similar, at least 30 cm thick stone. Then plaster. Or 24 cm stone, some fiberglass insulation, and clinker brick in front. A layer of air in between. Windows are double-glazed, but with passive forced ventilation, google RegelAir. In the bathroom, possibly a Maico exhaust fan, manually operated with the light switch. Warm water heating with radiators if floor heating is too warm for you. Such a house is not completely airtight, not wrapped in insulation, and still easily approvable. We build it, and there were zero problems at the building authority.
 

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