How can one circumvent the Energy Saving Ordinance and avoid bureaucratic madness?

2017-07-09 02:15:44

Hello, despite 27 posts, no one has said the essential thing yet, which actually surprises me.

Of course, you can build "without the Energy Saving Ordinance." The legislator naturally offers you this possibility. The applicable law therefore provides for exceptions and exemptions. The problem with that is probably convincing the appropriate authority of this intention.

This is particularly about unreasonable hardship and disproportionate investments in the requirement of energy saving. And with that, I wish you good luck with the argumentation. A bit of cozy living climate, a breathing house, and a little aluminum hat philosophy won't help you here. You have to shine with facts (physical and economic).

The legal basis can be found in §25 of the Energy Saving Ordinance 2014, Section 6 (also applies to the Energy Saving Ordinance 2016).

And just for your info: Five minutes of googling probably would have been enough to find this out without the help of this forum.

Hello Toxicmolotov,

thanks for the hints!

I am currently watching Mr. Fischer's videos. Exactly that is also said there regarding the exemption from the Energy Saving Ordinance. Extremely interesting.
Economically, it shouldn't be impossible now to prove the non-existing profitability.
Whether one has to argue physically, I can't find anywhere... Currently, it doesn't matter anyway.

I had already suspected that a lot of politics is involved here and less "nature conservation."

2017-07-09 02:23:27

I am currently watching videos by a Konrad Fischer. He somehow speaks from my soul.

I have to say that this Fischer does have a few good arguments on his side... My goodness.

Fischer. It doesn’t really surprise anyone who has read my attitude in this forum (not far from yours, I really liked the Riester comparison) towards insulation extremism and ETICS. Konrad Fischer is someone about whom many heated debates arise as to whether he has more expertise or more enemies (or both, and whether that’s connected). A major difficulty in this field is that following the explanations (of both "sides") requires thinking well beyond the remains of school-level physics. This makes superficial arguments (again here: of both "sides") easily seem plausible, much to the delight of the ideological warriors.

2017-07-09 02:24:03

This fisherman is also known in construction like a colorful dog. Just like Oliver Knöbel on the Reeperbahn.

But it doesn't help you. The exemption application has to be made for you by your architect, supported by corresponding individual case-related figures.

And where should the problem be? I can go through the topic with an architect and proceed accordingly, right?

I don't understand why this is presented as impossible here. After all, there are corresponding laws and procedural possibilities...
Especially here in the forum, I would have thought that there are SOME who proceed like this and do not let themselves be intimidated by arbitrary decisions of the building authorities.

2017-07-09 02:29:37

Der Fischer. Dass mir der sympathisch ist, wundert niemanden wirklich, der in diesem Forum meine Einstellung (nicht weit von der deinigen, der Riester-Vergleich hat mir gut gefallen) zum Dämmextremismus und zu WDVS gelesen hat. Konrad Fischer ist jemand, von dem sich Viele darüber hitzig reden können, ob er mehr Ahnung oder mehr Feinde hat (oder beides, und ob das zusammenhängt). Eine große Schwierigkeit in diesem Themenfeld ist, daß den Erklärungen (beider "Seiten") zu folgen erfordert, sich in Physik weit oberhalb der Reste des Schulwissens hineinzudenken. Das läßt Scheinargumente (auch hier wieder: beider "Seiten") schnell vermeintlich einleuchten, und freut die Glaubenskrieger.

I like his perspective and his approach. His style is relatively weak... I mean, in my opinion, he sometimes doesn't package his arguments well enough. But that's probably a matter of taste.

Mr. Fischer, with his history, naturally has a huge amount of practical knowledge. We can mostly pack up here. Furthermore, what speaks for him is that he doesn't want to sell us anything directly. Sure, he gives lectures and gets paid accordingly. But that doesn't change the fact that his arguments and evidence are very good. That's why he has such success with the exemptions.

Good man, Fischer. Let's see if we can get hold of him or if there are similar architects here in the North.

2017-07-09 02:33:30

What arbitrariness now? The Energy Saving Ordinance can be read by anyone and is no secret. Take an architect with the same mindset and go your own way. Whether that is cheaper than the few pennies for pipe insulation, I doubt, since you have not shown here that your building would be worth it (in the sense of, for example, protected facades or the like). Moreover, the insulation has the chance to pay off, fees are gone.

Regarding Konrad Fischer ... in every discipline, there are people who take their course through the contrarian route. And there is also a type of person who is attracted to that. Nothing will change about that, discussion about it is completely pointless. Mr. Fischer will surely gladly take your money to work for you, to carry on his ideological battle in your name.

2017-07-09 02:40:33

What arbitrariness now? Anyone can read the Energy Saving Ordinance and it is no secret. Take an architect with the same mindset and follow your own path. Whether it's cheaper than the few pennies for pipe insulation, I doubt it, as you have not shown that your building would be worth it (in terms of, for example, protected facades or the like). Moreover, the insulation has the chance of amortization; fees are gone.

Regarding Konrad Fischer ... in every discipline there are people who pursue their course via the troublemaker route. And there is also a type of person who feels attracted to that. Nothing will change about that; discussion about it is completely pointless. Mr. Fischer will certainly gladly take your money to work for you, to carry out his crusade also in your name.

Hello Alex,

what arbitrariness? Well, the arbitrariness of some decisions by authorities. Mr. Fischer quotes (with evidence) that the building authority sometimes decides arbitrarily, only to later take a step back. If you have not yet experienced arbitrariness in the administration, I am happy for you.

Whether someone who argues very well for his (and many others') interests can be portrayed as a troublemaker escapes my knowledge.

There will always be people who put up with everything that is thrown in their way, no matter how silly it is. And that is a good thing. Others, however, address the problem at its root and try to eliminate it.

Only dead fish swim with the flow.

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