How can one circumvent the Energy Saving Ordinance and avoid bureaucratic madness?

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-08 19:26:56

saar2and

2017-07-08 21:51:51
  • #1

All hope is lost.

With your argumentation, you won’t find any help here.
The aluminum hat would be more suitable for you.

If the heating system is 30 years old, it must be replaced, otherwise the chimney sweep and heating technician won’t approve it.

Certain insulation measures must also be implemented within 2 years of acquisition.
Since the Energy Saving Ordinance is a regulation, you can’t get around it or trick it.

It is also basically possible for a 1950s old building to feel just like a passive house in terms of living climate/living comfort.

If you don’t want that because you have some prejudice, no problem, to each their own, but then coming to a house building forum and trying to get help with knowledge from the 1950s without arguments on a topic that cannot be changed is, in my opinion, inappropriate.
Two minutes on Google and you could have answered your question yourself.

There is simply no way around sensible insulation measures, just as there is no way around a new heating system within 2 years.
 

Farilo

2017-07-08 22:06:10
  • #2

Hi Saar2end,

strange… Your first comment to me is "all hope is lost." The second is: "With that argumentation you won’t find any help." In the third you mention an aluminum hat.

Apparently, it’s you who has something against it.

Nonetheless, I thank you for your following words.
And I fully admit that I currently have ZERO idea about the matter. That’s why I am here in the forum to read up. I try, which does not always work, to critically question things. If I hurt anyone’s feelings in doing so, that was not my intention. Sorry for that.

- Heating needs to be replaced soon. Check. Shouldn’t be a problem. Costs are manageable.

As for insulation, I am currently googling. I just came across some info which I as a layman had thought about but couldn’t really argue.
That heating pipes in the house should be insulated sounds strange to me at first. I want them to heat, after all. Why shield them or put them under plaster?! Visually plastering over them is another matter… You have to bring out the principle club there.
The whole insulation debate is really nasty… As said, very Riester pension style. Sounds good at first, but in the long term makes hardly any sense for anyone.

Hopefully this isn’t like in the pension forum, where users who fell into the Riester trap discredit anyone who says something against Riester just because they themselves got ripped off.
 

Traumfaenger

2017-07-08 22:08:57
  • #3


What kind of wall construction does your existing building have? What is important to you about it? The material or the wall thickness? There are also solid wood constructions (google "massiver Holzbau"), which don't have such thick walls, and you might also like the indoor climate, as the manufacturers build "healthy buildings," using only biological materials. There are a few small but fine providers.
 

saar2and

2017-07-08 22:13:09
  • #4
A bit too much rhetoric on my part. I apologize for that. Heating pipes should be insulated because otherwise they lose heat where they shouldn't. Namely at the radiator. The radiator brings heat into the house more effectively and also where it is needed than the heating pipes. If heat is already lost on the way to the radiator through the heating pipes, then you have to use more energy to achieve the same result as with insulated heating pipes. This is called loss power.
 

11ant

2017-07-08 22:51:23
  • #5

So what now? - You yourself argue – in my opinion rightly – that climate consists of more than just parameters.

Besides, with e.g. 36.5 cm aerated concrete (or calcium silicate brick or any other quite normal stones, sometimes then double-layered) you will be able to comply with the energy saving ordinance even without foam adhesive and the air conditioning of the starship Enterprise. Energy saving ordinance is not equivalent to passive house standard.
 

Farilo

2017-07-09 00:24:17
  • #6
I am currently watching videos by a Konrad Fischer. He somehow speaks from my soul.

Well...

I will try to summarize what I think I have understood so far in this forum:

- For existing houses of older construction years, there is basically NO insulation requirement. Unless I change a certain percentage of the facade. Then I would have to insulate.

- Heating must be renewed after 30 years. Unless the chimney sweep confirms corresponding values of the existing system.

- Solar/photovoltaics are only necessary if I want to achieve a certain KFW standard.

Is that more or less correctly understood? Or am I still completely in the dark?

So, I sometimes suspect or think I hear that there is another way to build according to the energy saving ordinance without, for example, using extremely thick insulated walls, photovoltaics/solar, and possible enterprise techniques. However, I never read how exactly that works.

My goal is a as simple as possible/simple construction method without extensive/extreme ETICS for the extension and the preservation of the current condition in the existing house. (I have to renew the heating anyway, since the extension has to be integrated.)

The roof construction method of the old building should also be continued in the new extension. Is that possible without insulation?

Regards
 

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