How can one circumvent the Energy Saving Ordinance and avoid bureaucratic madness?

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-08 19:26:56

Lumpi_LE

2017-07-09 08:20:36
  • #1
I had read something about Konrad some time ago... It started with him saying "Insulation is counterproductive because it blocks the warming rays of the sun." You can then either smile or roll your eyes and put the paper in the round filing tray.
 

Joedreck

2017-07-09 08:37:44
  • #2
That's true as well. Only when you compare the solar gains to the heat losses does it become clear why insulation is the right choice.
Besides, it is also desired in summer... See topics on air conditioning here in the forum.

Regards Joe
 

Alex85

2017-07-09 08:49:14
  • #3
One should keep in mind, the profession of this gentleman is to inspect defective facades. He notices a concentration of problems on ETICS facades (where ETICS is always equated with EPS, which is wrong). So they are all bad. However, whether actually 10, 1, or 0.01% of the facades have these problems, the good gentleman simply does not know. Where else should he know from.

What really surprises me here is the assumption that grandma’s house is so much better. It would have a better climate. I think that’s nonsense! At grandma’s, it is always boiling hot in winter when you sit too close to the “glowing” radiators that try to keep the house warm. The air is bone dry, the strong convection does the rest. That’s why these water things made of ceramic are hung on the radiators to get a little moisture into the room so that nosebleeds and dry eyes stop.
The basement is cold and damp, musty. You definitely cannot store textiles there, nor files. The pantry is nicely cool, but it molds on the outside wall. The guest toilet as well, because it has no radiator. The window is naturally always tilted open. Guests prefer to enter there in their winter coats because otherwise their glasses freeze to the skin. Comfort is below zero.
She also wastes living space with the radiators; in new buildings, one calculates >€1700 per square meter.
She didn’t insulate the pitched roof. In summer it’s blistering hot there, in winter freezing cold. Vermin have free access. The room is therefore unusable. If the roof were insulated, the first step would at least be a high-quality storage space; as it is, it’s simply dead space.
Just the gain in space alone would already be worth tens of thousands, far beyond any energy savings.

But yes, that is a troll. Or at least a troublemaker who chose complaining as a default attitude before he even knows anything about the topic. The walls are certainly 60 cm thick, hazardous waste would go on the facade, and the officials plan a huge conspiracy even before anyone has ever heard of this gentleman.
This also has nothing to do with dead fish in the stream; some simply have too much time to get worked up about crap that hasn’t even happened yet and about which they know nothing except the representation by Mr. Tin Hat.



Why do you make other people’s problems your own? What do Mr. Fischer’s activities have to do with you?



His statements are one-sided and shortened. He does not have a broad market view but rather his individual experience, which he stylizes as universal.
Besides, he is not solution-oriented when he shouts for “abolition,” that is nonsense. Above all, he criticizes insulation on existing buildings of lower quality. He would find many of those, of course, because they are cheap to have. But that is extremely simplified and not a justification to question fundamentals.



Now I have to laugh. Where do you or Mr. Fischer tackle anything at its root? I don’t see it. You look for ways to circumvent the problem; you solve exactly nothing except your own problem.



The saying was already outdated when I wore black as a teenager.
 

toxicmolotof

2017-07-09 08:55:50
  • #4
So I don’t know how big your house will ultimately be for the insulation according to the [Energieeinsparverordnung] to cost you 40k, but 40k corresponds to a saving of 166 euros per month, plus interest maybe 230 euros. In a large house, partly old building, partly new building, I don’t find this value unrealistic to achieve when I consider that my parents-in-law have about 350 euros in heating costs, but I only have 50 euros. And my insulation did not cost 40k.

The air will therefore be very thin for you. No matter how you look at it.
 

Farilo

2017-07-09 21:40:19
  • #5
So, first of all, I wanted to apologize for obviously stepping on some toes here. I wasn’t aware that the sting runs so deep with some people. Sorry about that.

Furthermore, I would be glad if some people could calm down a bit so that the slight tendency to personal insults stops. It really doesn’t have to be that way.

If you (the Thermodämmer) are happy in your house, then there’s nothing better! Great! I’m happy for you.

For my part, I definitely will not live in a thermal envelope. Whether my version is better, worse, or whatever, it doesn’t matter to you. I just don’t want to and won’t spend money on, from my point of view, unnecessary insulation materials.

I have nothing against insulation in general! But in my opinion, it must make sense and ideally pay off in the end.
Insulating a facade from the outside with meter-thick Styrofoam or whatever simply doesn’t match my idea of a house. Whether it’s economical or not.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences with me. That’s very valuable! Either way.
What I will do with this newly acquired knowledge will be seen later.

Financially, you don’t have to worry about me. As I already mentioned, I acquired a 1000sqm plot including an old building in Hamburg for under 100k. The planned investment was actually around EUR 600k (house & plot). So, I am currently within budget. In any case. And that without monthly repayments until the end of my days.
Nevertheless, I would like to pay a fair price for a fair service. And you only get this price-performance ratio if you do a bit of research and don’t fall for the first offer.

I will take a look at the different materials... Maybe I’ll find a nice stone or type of wood I like and that has a good insulation factor, so that I can largely do without the insulation I love.

My worst-case scenario doesn’t look so bad either. Because, if all else fails, I’ll do it like most people here with tons of insulation. Could be worse.

But until then, I try to avoid it as much as possible and as long as it makes sense.
 

Farilo

2017-07-09 21:55:21
  • #6
I didn’t know you can insulate the roof with cellulose. Thanks for the info. I will do some research on that.

Some of the windows were already replaced 3 years ago. I don’t know exactly what kind of windows they are. Definitely plastic frames. I will check tomorrow exactly what kind of windows those are. The rest are still “original” wooden ones and definitely need to be replaced. Thanks for your advice on that.

I don’t have that in mind either. I know the heating was replaced at the end of the ’80s (gas). Once the extension is fully planned, I will definitely plan a new heating system (for main building and extension). The electrical system also needs to be completely redone. But I have a great electrician (kindergarten friend) on hand.

I don’t know him either. I "met" him this morning (2-3 am at night) LOL

Very interesting! Yep, feeling comfortable! THAT is the motto. Thank God money plays a secondary role for me there.

I am definitely very economical! I save wherever I can. Just not on food and vacations. Everything always has to make a certain kind of sense... financially everything is super good
 

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