Floor plan of a family house in an edge location with an open view

  • Erstellt am 2021-06-02 11:00:57

ypg

2021-06-02 19:16:27
  • #1

The embankment is great to give the garden a boundary. The embankment frames the garden and the house. You can plant on it. Or how wide is the embankment? Please mark it, as well as the entire property.


No one needs to measure, everyone can count the squares on graph paper in millimeters. They are quite accessible and insightful for bathrooms or rooms. Ok, I’m used to it, others not.


That is no illusion.


So I read from the plan that you like to run slalom, love tightness and walls. Except when eating, then it can be more. But only in proportion, because generosity is something else.
Maybe you have a lot of art paintings that need walls?!
You don’t like showers, only emergency showers at most.
I’m surprised by the mega-long kitchen island, because you are more or less small slender beings.
Your explanation regarding kitchen and pantry contradicts itself.
Actually, you like the tunnel vision of row houses; otherwise there would be a window somewhere on the side?!


Correct. No doors have to be moved yet.


... here we already have the painting in the sketch ...
a sketch is a rough drawing, a line drawing, basically without size specifications, but just recording an idea with the essentials.
Since your property apparently is not very large, you are already trying it in detail.
Unfortunately, some tightness can already be felt there, e.g. in the bathrooms, in the bedroom, in the entrance area, and in the interplay of living. For example, an 80cm wide shower hits the door. A toilet has 70cm in front of it, and that without tiles on the walls. And the toilet itself... too short?
Built-in or installation dimensions are not taken into account.
So none of this will work like this.
Same with the stair position: a staircase as a stylish object in the house can be done. (We have one too.)
But not between anything (wall/sofa) and/or behind something (kitchen island), because it doesn’t come into its own there.
Then it’s not in the walking flow here. So it should rather well connect the zones ground floor and upper floor without being obstructive or having obstructive objects in front of it.
Whether one puts up with this, yes, extreme openness in a family household here, I consider ill-advised. And if, then it should just be where it is more in the walking flow, for example, with good planning you could put it in the “sketched” area on the left plan side, where the second corridor is indicated. A corridor should also preferably be rather straight without a kink, otherwise the corner wears quickly with hurried people. (Shoulder joints too ;) )
To the highlight of the kitchen;



Who says that? What does similar mean?


Me neither. But necessary when preparing food. Where there is chopping, there are chips.


Believe me: we all have more or less kitchens, open kitchens, kitchens with pantry, kitchen islands, sink islands, closed kitchens... whatever: they usually have one goal: prepare food, store, clean, drinks, pre etc. So we all know how this works, the workflow between two lines. Ergonomic triangle!


That’s why you put something back :D you don’t hide it. After the work is done, you clean up. You are mentally relocating your work to a small pantry to keep the workspace clean ;)
... and here instead of putting a device away again, you will put yourself in a dark pantry without light (light switch and door will be happy) multiple times in a row, waiting for the toast, to then go back to the family.
I believe even someone intentionally planning a closed kitchen would find this idea absurd.
A backup kitchen should also be planned as such: with light, with freedom of movement, with storage space. Actually, the kitchen industry has invented something for this, namely cabinets with sockets so you can operate devices where they stand and stay in the kitchen area yourself.
Tall cabinets enough? Freezer? Side-by-Side or French door? Oven? Window for daylight? Your pantry can’t accommodate that, nor can the kitchen be expanded...

But anyway: if you submit the plan, one cannot read it as to what it is actually meant to express.
If improvements are to be made, then only with a property plan and the text form. But it will probably be that your garden will shrink even further.
And yes: exterior dimensions could be noted already. Some scroll here with their phones to help you :)
 

11ant

2021-06-02 19:34:09
  • #2
Mentioning the original thread itself would actually have been a standard "mandatory service" for the OP :-(

Family is for eating and laughing, but never for doing business :)

Great. If you know from the start that he doesn't fit us, then it's better to switch.

This is getting even more intense: you already know that the implementer is not supposed to be the planner either. You must have read a lot here with your ears closed :-(

What do you expect now from this cocktail cherry on the scrap heap? - if you absolutely want to top the R.Hotzenplotz disaster, then just do it perfectly and get the general contractor recommended by 's favorite neighbor.

At first, I didn't understand this passage to mean specifically a nightmare.
 

K1300S

2021-06-02 20:22:39
  • #3
No window in the children's bathroom (?), dressing room and upstairs hallway. Is that supposed to be like this? Otherwise, I find the budget possibly a bit tight for "not a run-of-the-mill house".
 

Myrna_Loy

2021-06-02 20:44:54
  • #4
I would combine the children's bathroom and the parents' bathroom and make the parents' bathroom a dressing room - as it is now, it's just a walk-in closet and two rather small bathrooms.
 

pagoni2020

2021-06-02 21:45:55
  • #5
Interior dimensions of 8x11m are not really much for this "open" project with a central staircase. We are currently building about 12.6x8 with a staircase in the open space and every centimeter has really been tested multiple times; on top of that, we are building for two people. I find your approach understandable and gradually some things will become clearer; maybe it will turn out differently with the architect/site manager or or... as long as you stay flexible and alert during the discovery phase it's all no problem. In an emergency, you also have to be able to say stop or accept such a stop. You wanted to pack in a lot, so some things will still not be possible. In any case, you should take enough time for your planning, especially for the desired details! Besides the somewhat short open space, I don't like the entrance situation at all, especially because you want an "open" house and then you run right into a wall. I would plan again in parallel and first strictly consider the actually necessary rooms/distances/dimensions, otherwise it is just a castle in the air; we probably have hundreds of such drawings...we also enjoy it. What you are planning with an open staircase, back kitchen etc. in my amateur opinion needs significantly more space, currently it will be very cramped/pushed I think. With the back kitchen, you are imagining a block in front of the entrance, which could otherwise be totally open with a view all the way through; I wouldn’t think long about that. Toilet/WC directly next to the counter... well, I would prefer that towards the entrance. Garage (we have this topic currently too) I would place at the very bottom of the priority list. For example, we decided on a nice lamp in the gallery or an air conditioning unit etc., money for a parking space/garage really hurts me, I’m probably a bit un-German, my car doesn’t even cost €3,000 :D. The car can stand somewhere/somehow, but you cannot just sit, eat or shower somewhere/somehow. Upstairs your architect will surely also intervene, despite all the approval for open living, bedroom and bath/WC should have a completely normal door; I find sliding doors uncomfortable, just like two accesses to the dressing room. Maybe you are planning the large bathroom accessible from the hallway and for you a small bathroom (shower) en-suite attached to the bedroom, but then AFTER the dressing room. The dimensions in the bathroom don’t fit anyway, you will notice that as soon as original dimensions, pre-wall fixtures etc. are in. Also here everything is currently very close together and in my opinion would feel cramped. If not done yet, you should urgently visit some model homes, especially regarding room dimensions etc. It will work out... a stress :D
 

ypg

2021-06-02 22:28:03
  • #6
(I would probably place the office on the garage side as well.) Entrance to the house more to the left, so that the hallway becomes straight. Then the staircase as a design element on the south exterior wall with vertical window strips to let the southern sun into the house. Kitchen with backup kitchen where the staircase is now. Then with an outside door and windows. What are the measurements now?
 

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