Floor plan of a townhouse 150 sqm with gable roof 6 rooms

We have a big cupboard under the stairs for the wardrobe. https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/schuhe-und-jacken-auf-1-37qm-realistisch.38783/page-3 And what does my husband do? He stores his shoes and jackets that he uses in the freezer room. For rain and mud stuff, I would always leave some space there or it can be found. So, for a bit more zoning and space for a sideboard, you can also put this cupboard in the freezer room. It was only about one child, right? And the kids have enough space with 16 sqm for seasonal clothes or sports bags. Upstairs is also the utility room… it will settle down.

You guys are really discussing on a high level here... someone should tell the AfD about this, honestly... I feel sick and at the same time it becomes clear why "building" in Germany fails... because you have to reserve 5, 6 lfm wardrobe for 4 people, including space for at least 23 pairs of shoes per person... defined by people who don’t even have children or grandchildren... that’s the specialty of the government right now, it’s like the blind talking about color because they once "felt" it in a seminar...

I’ve read it twice now... what exactly is the 9m² utility room on the upper floor supposed to achieve? What is supposed to happen there? Why is it absolutely necessary? Because the office from the ground floor could easily move into the 9m² utility room on the upper floor, which would solve many... if not all... problems?
That’s probably how people without an unlimited budget would solve it.

PS:
We also have a felt 200 and a real 50 jackets, for every unlikely occasion. Most of them we store in the attic... sure, you have to climb up and down when madam urgently needs jacket xyz for a certain occasion. But that way you save yourself 4 lfm of wardrobe in the hallway...
And even if you don’t build out the attic yourself, it’s much cheaper than having additional built-up floor area per m² in the house...

Conclusion:
Interest rates are high, prices are pretty absurd by now... what might still have been considered "should have" 5 years ago is now "nice to have"... what was "nice to have" 5 years ago is not possible today.
Think about that...

And with all imagination never forget... most people on this planet live with 2, 3, 4 children on (well) under 100m²... good night.

Thank you , you can immediately tell what makes you unhappy in life: when the wife has to store her jacket in the attic, while clever people plan the house to fit the daily routine. By the way, this has nothing to do with size and applies equally from 80 to 300sqm and larger.

What does the budget say?

We are still clarifying the budget. The first draft was around 370 k€ and thus below our budget. That’s why I’m curious where we would end up with the extension.

However, I would still change quite a bit to be able to say: this is fine, the building application could be submitted. More details on that later.

For me as a layperson to understand: does that mean the building application could already be submitted with such a preliminary draft that is not yet 100% perfect and would then be further optimized in parallel?

Yes, that’s how it is. Cabinets with a depth of 50 cm are drawn in.

The window has a clear opening width of 80 cm and the wall is 202 cm. That means there would be 61 cm space for the cabinets. Admittedly tight, but the dressing room cabinets are not supposed to have doors anyway and Pax cabinets are 58 cm deep without doors. That should work for us.

Otherwise, many thanks to , , and for concrete adjustment suggestions and especially the visualizations.

I would plan a large kitchen island and rotate the dining table.

I like that approach. How big would you make the kitchen island? And then a floor-to-ceiling window between the kitchen island and the kitchen counter? The kitchen counter would then “only” be 3 m in this case.

I find the idea from with the office door in the living room and the rotated couch very exciting. Can the stairs then be extended?

However, then the couch would stand somewhat in front of the sliding door and you couldn’t look into the garden from the couch. The latter could possibly be solved by a floor-to-ceiling window at the top of the living room plan.

I wonder if the entrance area would then be a bit cramped with the stairs directly on the right? I would leave out the wardrobe in front of the bathroom or at least make it smaller to relieve the bathroom a bit or to make the entrance to the office there.

I would leave out one cabinet at the bottom of the plan and draw a straight wall. Then a shelf/sideboard there.

What do you mean by the straight wall?

I have read it twice now... what exactly is the purpose of the 9 m² utility room on the upper floor? What is supposed to happen there? Why is it absolutely necessary? Because the office from the ground floor could nicely move into the 9 m² utility room upstairs, solving many... if not all... problems?

The utility room upstairs serves as laundry and storage because the utility room downstairs with building services is already somewhat cluttered and is intended as storage for food, drinks, and everything our dog needs. So the 7 m² there are already quite full.

The utility room upstairs is actually supposed to be a maximum of 7 m² as well, equipped with a washing machine, possibly a dryer, and a cabinet for towels, bed linens, etc. We find it practical to wash the laundry directly upstairs where the clothes are also stored.

You can submit the building application once the exterior dimensions are fixed. You can change interior walls and windows later. At least here in Brandenburg. I wouldn’t turn the sofa. You’d take away the great view from the window into the garden. Also, you’d create useless dead space behind the sofa. The 61 cm for the cabinets will be tight, since plaster will still be applied to the walls. I would move the door slightly downwards on the plan, then it will fit. You don’t have a cabinet on the opposite wall anyway. Washing clothes upstairs is also a matter of preference. Many people hang their laundry outside to dry. Then you have to go downstairs with the wet laundry.

For me as a layman to understand: does that mean you could already submit the building application with such a preliminary draft, which is not yet 100% accurate, and then continue optimizing in parallel?

Depends on your authority. I wouldn’t do that unless it causes insane costs. Usually you still change the windows etc. until the very end, and not every authority is 100% tolerant about that.

The window has an RBM of 80cm and the wall is 202cm. That means there would be 61cm space for the cabinets. Admittedly tight, but they shouldn’t get doors anyway in the dressing room, and PAX cabinets are 58cm deep without doors. That should work for us.

Will there be plaster added or is it drywall?

I find the idea from with the office door in the living room and the rotated couch very exciting. Can the stairs then be extended?

If you give way a bit by the dressing room upstairs, that would be possible.

Then the couch would stand a bit in front of the lift-and-slide door and you wouldn’t be able to look into the garden from the couch. The latter could possibly be solved by a floor-to-ceiling window at the top of the plan in the living room.

Move the lift-and-slide door downwards on the plan and a large double door at the top of the plan. By the way, where is north here?
For looking outside, the original layout is not suitable in my opinion either. If that is the goal, it should be stated first during window planning.

I wonder whether the entrance area will become a bit cramped with the staircase directly on the right?

I did not change anything at the entrance area and staircase. Basically, it is a bit tight. That’s why I suggested turning the bulky built-in wardrobe into a narrower and airier sideboard.

I would leave out the wardrobe in front of the bathroom or at least make it smaller to relieve the bathroom a bit or create the entrance to the office there.

I had thought of that as well, especially as a guest room that would be more comfortable for the guest. But be careful not to restrict yourself too much when it comes to the wardrobe. Normally for 4 people, about 2m of space for a proper wardrobe plus shoe sideboard is usual.