Bungalow floor plan 160-170 sqm with basement

Now again very slowly... not that we all didn’t understand it ;)

We never advised you to have “a second floor”!

Define basement! Isn’t a basement a “floor”?
By the way, people don’t speak of floors, but of storeys, and then there’s also the definition of a “half-storey”… but let’s get to the point:

So you’re planning ground floor + basement, because a ground floor + converted attic is 2 storeys, and ground floor + basement two storeys? o_O

You’re bothered by a staircase leading to the attic, but not by one to the basement.o_O
You put necessary rooms like laundry room, technical room, storage room in your other storey (basement), even though the staircase might cause problems someday.o_O
You give yourself an argument that is basically unsustainable, because you are planning two storeys, so with a staircase. That will be an obstacle for you if you get knee problems at 50.

Furthermore, you’re planning “2-3 living rooms with daylight” in that basement. Meaning: you’re planning 2-3 additional living rooms in the basement, so finished with electricity, bathroom? (there was something said about parents) (-> lifting station), heating, ventilation, adequate daylight illumination and a ceiling height that makes a basement room a living room, so that it is even allowed and approved as a living space. You only get daylight in a basement with special daylight shafts, so real windows and then a huge excavation, there are several possibilities. But these all have in common that they have to be on the outside wall of the house (since they are basement windows) and pose a danger of accident to children playing in the garden (not to mention security against break-ins).
So they must be properly secured again, but in a way that they can still provide a second escape route. -> fall protection, escape route from inside to outside.
All this turns a simple basement into a living basement.
Meaning: 180sqm basement = 180,000€
180sqm basement in living quality (I assume half of that, since the freezer and utility room do not have to be developed, but adjusted ceiling height), so 90sqm basement + 90sqm living basement = 300,000€
The attic remains cold, but you have 180sqm of space that no one sees because it disappears in the basement. Most of the space is hardly needed anyway (180sqm for basement is really a lot) and if the kids party down there, two rooms on the ground floor suffer.

As I said, you are not the first to come up with the idea of a bungalow.

According to your argument, it would be more logical to let your basement stairs go up to the attic, because it’s already there. Just leave the basement out entirely.
The rooms that will still be necessary in old age or with knee problems are planned on the ground floor (You remember: "We want everything on one level ourselves...."). Small freezer room, utility room next to the kitchen… all bungalow-like, and all for you.
A room that can serve small children near the parents and then two rooms plus bathroom in the converted attic, which the children can move into as soon as they reach school age. A construction effort hardly worth mentioning, maybe 50,000€. Windows that see the sky instead of the concrete look of a light shaft.

That would be a separation of spaces (children//parents). And when the kids fly the nest, the two rooms in the attic of 40sqm don’t hurt if they lie fallow, get converted into a fitness room, or the grandchildren sleep there sometimes. In any case, you would have your level and what is up there doesn’t bother you.

Where is the catch now?
You invest 250,000€ more for less living comfort, then later have a huge basement that you might not even be able to enter for laundry in the worst case and still have two empty rooms on the ground floor... and think: I would have preferred freezer and utility room here...

So there should also be 2-3 living spaces created there..
(playroom, hobby room, etc... later also for the kids or grandparents, if necessary)

I am happy to elaborate our view on the basement topic.
Utility room, laundry room, large sauna room, at least 50 sqm, hobby room, office/playroom/guest room, bathroom... all that should find space somewhere.

Thank you for your explanation. That reads quite differently than in the initial thread

...actually when reading, more "placeholder" rooms than properly defined ones. You didn't mention anything in the questionnaire either, so one had to assume that a basement is simply built because "somewhere the technology has to go and with the rest you can already do something"

That now there should still be space for a sauna, office, and guest room has rather more priority or should be planned, and then you could entertain the children with the remaining space - that way it makes sense to me at least if building with a basement.

The Vita can be "relatively easily" redesigned so that the character remains.
The problem is the 15 meters... you have already recognized that yourself.
Furthermore, you will deviate from your budget. For 180 sqm with the elaborate bungalow shape, I arrive at 440,000. Then a double garage would come with 30-40,000 (I'm not so familiar with that).
For the basement I was at 270,000... overall 750,000 plus the other stuff, incidental construction costs, outdoor facilities, garden and landscaping.

How is it with the garage/garages? Do they count toward the 15 meters? Is it possible to separate them if the other rooms use up the 15 meters? ...
I sketched something, but the garages somehow always stick out too much... What options do you see for yourself there?

Thank you very much for your comments..

We are not fixed at all on this design and I am very grateful for any tips...
We are also aware that compromises have to be made...
But so far I have not seen a floor plan that somehow even comes close to our wishes..
Currently, I found the site Extradom.pl.. there are also interesting bungalows/floor plans with pictures.. so you can imagine it better visually....

The architect did not receive a sketch from us (was advised here)
Only the room program... I am very curious myself about what will come out of it...
Maybe I’m just stressing myself unnecessarily and the plan can really work out...

But I don’t want to lose several weeks unused, only to start afterwards....

Certainly, a very well separated area could be created through a 2nd floor...
But our thoughts are as follows:

We want everything on one level ourselves....
Let’s take 40-50 years (if we’re lucky... : )

As long as the kids are small, a completely separated area ground floor/upper floor is not sensible.. you just run up and down the stairs....
In the teen age, that would certainly be top for about 10 years....

After that, they might study or move out etc....
Then you have the whole 2nd floor completely empty...
With the basement, we would create more flexibility, as many rooms disappear there... also laundry room etc...
With 2-3 living rooms with daylight, the kids would have retreat spaces there during their teen years or even later...
We continue to live on one level.....
The kids move out... -> the basement doesn’t bother, and the 2, 3 rooms stand empty,... doesn’t matter then....

Our wish, then, everything on one level, with a slightly separated kids area......

Certainly not everyone sees it that way..... doesn’t have to...

We planned a bungalow that allows us comfortable living on 150 sqm as a couple in old age, with a large children's room in the basement that could later be rented out as a 2-room apartment plus a cellar. However, we have a hillside property and had the special feature of building on and converting an existing cellar. Maybe you’ll find some ideas for yourself: It was important to us not to have unnecessary rooms that would stand empty later when our daughter moves out. Currently she is actually still a bit too young for the concept, but they grow up so fast and she will probably soon be quite happy to have little to do with us in her teen years ;-)