Air heat pump or use gas and solar?

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R.Hotzenplotz

2018-01-10 22:26:27
  • #1


Yes, we have chosen a luxury shower that allows 26 l/min flow (Axor Shower Solutions 350). Also, a 190x90 bathtub, which is frequently used. Four people will live in the house. The rest can be easily figured out. I think the 400l water tank is already borderline.

In any case, the water consumption will be so high that it should not simply be ignored beforehand.
 

Saruss

2018-01-10 22:35:12
  • #2
You are definitely right about that. We are rather "economical" when showering. I find showering/bathing, for example, boring and I am under the shower just to get clean, so I’m done before others have even prepared to shower. I also don’t find anything more specific in the instructions at first glance, but for the different A1 models you can find something like this: "Article number BGAi1006506W Persons 3 Supply temperature up to W10 60 °C Supply temperature up to B0 60 °C Output recording B0/W35 1.3 kW Further power specification standard W10/W35 kW Further power specification recording W10/W35 1.3 kW Further power specification 7.7 kW Output exhaust B0/W35 5.7 kW Storage content min 170 l Cop EN14511 W10/W35 6.20 Cop EN14511 B0/W35 4.60 Groundwater flow 1.8 m³/h (Δt=3K) Heating water flow 1.3 m³/h (Δt=5K)" And more blah blah, but that already means that at 0° brine you get 60° water temperature without heating rod.
 

R.Hotzenplotz

2018-01-11 11:50:24
  • #3
The following was communicated to me today by an energy consultant:

"Heating load calculation:

As suspected, there are already some deficiencies or errors here, which is why this cannot be considered professionally done (attachment).

In particular, the controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery was not taken into account.

Whether further errors regarding building geometry are hidden, I cannot judge.


Heating surface dimensioning:

Here too, some deficiencies. The only positive aspect is the chosen flow temperature, if the heat generator is to be a heat pump.

I have not checked whether the software calculates correctly. Many software programs use the same, incorrect calculation core.

Inactive or limited-function underfloor heating surfaces were not considered.


Pipe network calculation:

Since existing errors “carry over” or multiply, I have not reviewed these.

Modern heat generators usually have an integrated heating circuit pump. Their available residual delivery head is manufacturer- and device-specific. This correlation is missing here.


Geothermal probes:

The probes should be dimensioned according to the actually required extraction energy for heating and hot water, which is not the case here.

Positively, however, borehole grouting and possibly two boreholes are planned. The latter is more economical but also somewhat more expensive.

Before dealing with this in more detail, the actual energy demand for heating and hot water should perhaps first be determined.


Conclusion:

Overall very extensive and sophisticatedly prepared and presented, but unfortunately afflicted with some, partly significant deficiencies."



So this topic will keep me occupied intensively and will probably not be successful without paid support from such a professional who accompanies the process from A to Z.
 

Joedreck

2018-01-11 14:06:33
  • #4
Oh dear, okay. But you noticed it, that's good. The heating load decreases additionally with [Kontrollierte-Wohnraumlüftung]. So a proper heating load calculation and design of underfloor heating is necessary.
 

Edison

2018-01-25 10:32:27
  • #5
I have only read the first pages of the thread, but I am surprised at the energy consumption. When I read ground-source water pump or air-water heat pump and then a cost consumption of 80-120€ per month and that in new buildings? I bought a house a few years ago. 152sqm living space including converted attic and in addition I heat my basement to 19.5 degrees. A total of 209sqm are heated. About the house and heating: built in 1992. Atmos heating system from 1980s technology. Only conventional radiators. Flow temperature about 60 degrees if you trust the scale. No pipe insulation and no insulation... Additionally I have a gas water heater with 160l also built in 1992. 1980s technology. My roof has significant insulation damage caused by a marten. However, I have a total gas consumption of about 1550-1650cm3 approximately 16000-18000kwh converted. My gas costs amount to about 85€ per month. When I read here how much more a heat pump costs and then some new KfW standards, I wonder whether the construction was not done correctly or the heating system was not properly calculated at all. Best regards Edison
 

Lumpi_LE

2018-01-25 11:48:19
  • #6
That is already exceptional for your house and speaks for a good heating system. Conversely, anyone who today has a reasonable heat pump in a properly insulated house should not have heating costs over 600€. 1200€ for a 140sqm house – that simply doesn't add up.
 

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