10x10m city villa (approx. 155m², 6 rooms), fine-tuning desired

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Curly

2017-08-21 08:33:29
  • #1


why are your rooms so low? Aren't you allowed to build higher? 2.40m doesn't look so bad in small rooms, but in your large living room including kitchen it will feel very oppressive.

Best regards
Sabine
 

chand1986

2017-08-21 08:36:05
  • #2
I would fully agree with #18 from Michael.

The house in this plan will not be livable and will create problems that you actually want to avoid when building a house (for example, that the utility room is too small and forces some appliance to be stored elsewhere was also my first thought).

The staircase is currently a bottleneck. You can only get furniture into the upper floor in parts, and relatively small ones at that. But a better staircase would cost additional space—which is already scarce.

It seems that the planner could only reconcile your wishes and your limits at a high price. Of course he could, he wants to sell you something.

Frankly: You want too much in too little space. Just modifying the floor plan a bit won’t solve the problem. Basically, it needs to be clarified whether you can create more space (maybe cut something off the megalomaniac carport?) or if you can do without a room.

What you currently see as indispensable can only be reconciled with the current space offer through poor solutions. Who wants a house that is a string of bad solutions? You usually build for the good ones...
 

ypg

2017-08-21 08:54:41
  • #3
Well, I don't see that a child needs a 160 cm bed at the age of 12 (or older). But the more I compare the design with the location, the more it becomes clear that it is not the house, but the outbuilding that is planned generously. The bend in the hallway takes away much of this feeling, darkness does the rest. You don't need a third children's room if you are planning for 1-2 children. The term generosity includes a staircase that is comfortable to walk on daily. You don't have the narrow and bent hallway if you place the door to the south. The driveway is probably on the west side, so it makes sense to drive directly into the carports. Then you also have a house entrance nearby and can place the living rooms in the west. You should consider whether you want to give the house such a dominant outbuilding that looks like a gas station from a bird's-eye view. Probably something like that won't be approved because it does not subordinate to the house.
 

Changeling

2017-08-21 09:42:24
  • #4

Yes, that is not a problem. Because:


The property is about 2m higher than the streets north and west of it, so a road is being built to the south for this and the properties to the east, which runs from west to east (along the large building). Unfortunately, there is no other way due to the height difference. But it is all already planned and approved.


No, see orientation on the property (the map is oriented north).



I really can’t judge that. Higher rooms cost more money, even if "only a few thousand euros". We are very happy with the current 2.40 m room height in our current house, but the largest room here is only 4.7 x 6.5 m.
My parents’ house was an old farmhouse, where the ceilings were significantly lower.



Our stairs currently measure 2.30 x 1.50 (!!) m in identical shape. It was a bit tight during the move, but everything basically fit. Even now no one has a problem with it. So I would literally say it’s "not that tight"...


The way you say it sounds somehow strange, but yes, that’s actually how we do it currently. Our hallway is always nice and clean because of that.


How would you solve it otherwise? We actually don’t find it bad (otherwise we wouldn’t have planned it that way).


As I said, if it unexpectedly doesn’t work out (currently it works well), there is still the guest/work room.


What bothers me about the hallway, as I said, is only the cramped access, that is wasted living space.
The door at the kitchen is only there to have a short way to the utility room/pantry. The "main route" goes past the stairs to the living room.
The shoes in the carport are currently absolutely no problem and if we were to continue renting, we wouldn’t change that in the next 20 years either. We currently have no snow or dirt because the carport is, as mentioned, more or less closed and therefore also dry (as now). The front side is completely closed and the property is fully fenced so that at most animals will find their way there.


We certainly want to avoid that. If the entrance is placed southward, the utility room could be connected directly to the kitchen, avoiding the long hallway. But then we would have to come up with something nice for the roofing to the carport — that is simply still missing. I’m open to ideas here.



There are supposed to be 2-3 children in the end.
The Child 1 room actually only serves as a reserve in case there really are three children (we plan with 2-3). I’m in favor of it, my wife is not. We’ll see.

TV in children’s rooms is basically a no-go for me. And a double bed for the child wouldn’t occur to me either, max 1.40 m, but that is also more of a luxury problem given the doubled mattress price. My childhood room was sometimes 9 sqm with a normal 90 cm bed, and I missed nothing. As a woman you would need a bit more for the wardrobe, presumably, which would be provided here.
I’m also not in favor of showering children with all kinds of luxury and pastimes.


Our bed is 2.10 m long, and we currently have a passage width of 70 cm. 6 cm less won’t kill us. We don’t want a big bedroom, on the contrary. We only sleep there; it should be as small and dark as possible so you can sleep peacefully and air out quickly. I find this modern style of "as big and as bright as possible" nonsensical.
And with a small bedroom the mirrored cabinet is also closer to the bed.


We can and want to invest no much more money. Maybe max 10x11 m. But even then you don’t gain much.




That is a good argument. But I don’t know how it could be solved.

We want a home because we want to be for ourselves. A typical new-build estate with 300 sqm “space” for everyone was out of the question for us. I don’t want to stir my neighbor’s coffee cup on the terrace, and I also don’t want to have to whisper in the garden. We also want to sunbathe in peace without watchers. Privacy is a huge plus for us.
Otherwise, I could stay in an apartment and wouldn’t have to build a house. My home is my castle, and there are moats with pointed sticks all around it.

On the property there are also many and tall trees on the west side, and the house to the south is a large old building with 2 high floors and apartments inside, with the upper window at a perceived 6 m height. Not much can be done with bushes and pergolas there. The carport or wooden garage is planned to be about 3 m high and the terrace roof is not transparent, but at least planned milky.

The building window for the house is unfortunately quite tight:




The carport is actually our space saver. We currently also have such a huge, semi-closed one and actually do not want to miss it at all because it is just brilliant.
50 sqm with 3 m height are approved without a permit in Saxony; the connecting part and the extension on the left are to be seen separately and are not flanged in a single monolithic block.

Maybe one could do without the guest room and instead enlarge the utility room + living room. I have to think about that.
 

Changeling

2017-08-21 10:13:49
  • #5
Oh, one more thing about moving the carport to the east side: then the terrace would be closer to the trees and the street. Unless you make the double carport one behind the other. But we currently have it like that, and it’s very annoying because we constantly have to swap the cars. In both cases, however, the terrace would be completely visible from the apartments to the south :-/

The only advantage would be a much less cramped version of the ground floor layout. Of course, that’s also worth a lot. But I don’t really want to be sitting there on display...
 

Curly

2017-08-21 10:14:24
  • #6
But you also can't compare a new building with an old farmhouse. Just take a look at large living rooms in a show home exhibition and measure the ceiling height; I find 2.40m far too low. I would try to plan the orientation on the plot differently; this way your living room and kitchen are completely dark, the sun never reaches them, especially not in winter. Can't you plan the garage or carport on the eastern side?

Best regards
Sabine
 

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