Single-family house with staggered floor, southwest location in Bonn

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ypg

2020-12-01 14:50:11
  • #1

for example, no guests planned, but a little corner of the corridor reserved...
I would attribute that to the wing space...

Now don’t exaggerate. A forum is there to lay everything out that is noticeable. It gives the OP the opportunity to counteract and check for themselves. Or is the idea: you can do it, but you don’t have to?


And you are not the measure of all things to decide that the problem “wing” exists, but a too long corridor is no problem just because you found great photos on Pinterest.
The corridor under discussion here has absolutely nothing to do with the corridors you fish out of the internet here. You have too much boredom in your home office :cool:


I feel addressed, but that doesn’t matter. Because you’re wrong:
I also like long corridors. But either because they are there (old building) or because I deliberately plan them with daylight or a visual axis, e.g., a staircase. Now look at the said corridor: where does it resemble your shown ones? Old building charm is not wanted here, nor is side lighting given. It’s just a storage corridor attached, also without light...
If you look at the house from the outside, a lot of daylight is desired. Great when you then come up the stairs and only see walls left, right, and front/there in the back approaching you.
My point:



You don’t have to talk yourself into it when it could be done differently.

You shouldn’t dwell on side issues and single posts now. And also evaluate the criticism with a clear mind and not with wounded pride. How you ultimately build is your business. If you don’t want criticism, then just don’t look in here anymore or post the progress. But you can constantly pick out some positives here, which you do, that’s okay, that’s allowed. Then live with the mentioned things you cannot understand.

If I wanted to build that big with a roof terrace and large windows upstairs, then they would border on a living corridor upstairs, from which the bedrooms branch off on one side, and the roof terrace on the other side. Then the stairs would be full frontal and not faded into the shadows :)
 

Baufie

2020-12-01 15:10:10
  • #2
Man man man, such generalized statements really get on my nerves. There are some posts here that are truly fachlich fundiert with constructive criticism and then you come up with a statement like that. And then you come up with hallway suggestions that could come from a hotel, pictures that are distorted by open doors, etc. We built in a very similar style, only with a partial basement (approx. 69 sqm), ground floor (approx. 110 sqm) and upper floor (approx. 95 sqm). That’s why at least I don’t have to lick my fingers here;) I’m trying to help and have made some points here. Starting with the budget, man the thread starter imagines something below the targeted 900,000 EURO including incidental construction costs. I forecast that this simply will not work with the size. The basement here is almost 148 square meters, ground floor 150 sqm and upper floor just under 91 sqm. The whole thing will end up over 1,000,000 EURO. mentioned the statics here, which really cannot be neglected and that makes the whole thing expensive. The many flat roof areas, the garage also adds up and then there’s the outdoor area. I hope is aware of that. We also ended up at this sum, just for the house. And we did a lot ourselves, often got good equity prices. For example, the entrance area is about as big as ours, but here there are no storage or stowage areas; you always have to go to the built-in cupboard in front of the stairs and carry the dirt into the house. What I also can’t get into my head is why for a house of this size an architect can’t manage to place a straight staircase. In a house of this size I would never want a "double house staircase." gave a great suggestion for the upper floor; we implemented it similarly. I don’t think the basement has been talked about yet. , is this size really needed? Because you’re burying a lot of money there. , what ceiling heights are planned? I can’t read that anywhere.
 

pagoni2020

2020-12-01 15:31:29
  • #3

If my child is still a baby and a second one is still hoped for/planned, and I myself "play a bit" on this part that keeps going out of tune, then I don't arrange my space according to that. Maybe in 8 years it will rather be the tuba or the didgeridoo.
So far, no actual furniture dimensions have been drawn in that correspond to your needs/feasible wishes, which is why I wonder that someone comments loudly: "That fits!" WHAT...? ....fits? The drawn-in, unmeasured blocks, the grand piano on the plan drawn more like a Bontempi organ?? Okay, everything somehow fits. So then it's right again.

Yes, that can be seen that way just as the body adapts to every seat. Consequently, it could also be a wooden stool, a shower where you have to bend down, or a kitchen with a working height of 70cm. Everything is possible. And....

True....I once saw super chic cave apartments. With lighting, they were great too; I should post some pictures about that. It also works without heating.....I just have to buy a few more sweaters. What a sharp argument....... :D...everything somehow works.

...and what does that tell me about finding a nice floor plan??

...which, considered as a standalone fact, means nothing

Really? In what way? How do you define your type of functioning regarding the life habits of someone evidently unknown to you who has not yet presented their priorities and has also not entered any furniture dimensions. True: doors, windows, dining table, sofa.....all there.....fits!

Does the OP want that? I didn’t read that. Also, in the angled version, the four bar drinkers would have to turn 180 degrees, and the cook could see part of the table from the stove... but why, it should be separate. So what now?

...and why does an angled door loosen up something that was previously not loose? Maybe you could make it "loose" to begin with and then avoid such loosening measures. In a building like this, with my atrocious taste, I would rather not like slanted components.
As has already pointed out:

I, on the other hand, am glad about this circumstance and moreover had assumed it as general knowledge not particularly worth mentioning.

Message to everyone under 200 sqm living space, including you.........henceforth keep your mouth shut and quietly continue to "lick your fingers."

Who should want to talk into anything? Now you are not exactly the master of quiet tones, so you should allow everyone else their comments without trying to slip them such silly stuff. I rather feel that you want to talk the OP into one of your internet finds, in this case cave passages. So please stop with the talking into things ;). In Scandinavia, people get pills because of lack of sunlight, here we can solve it architecturally without medication.

Of course; I sure hope so, and it would rather frighten me if it weren’t so.
You apparently see criticism as competition mode, as if you had to say, “Ha, your house is stupid too.” I expressly wish that someone looks at my project, takes the time, and honestly shares their opinion.
Patting shoulders helps me nothing. I know by myself that I’m a great guy. It helps me more when someone tells me where I might have misjudged something. That can be the lifelong tenant of a 2-room wet room apartment just as well as the villa owner, regardless of whether they “lick their fingers” or not, that’s just silly. If criticism frightens you or you prefer exuberant praise, today you can even buy thousands of likes.

WHAT was positive about that? Do you see yourself as a person attacked or in a competition about your dream house against opponents in the forum?.....you wouldn’t have to. Today’s shoulder pats won’t fix your possibly later discovered planning mistakes.

.....and you just express it a little differently :D, namely....


How vague and imprecise, while everyone has a name. WHO are those unworthy “same” finger-lickers? We are among ourselves here.....so....out with it.
Because they say what they themselves feel, you casually diagnose “always projecting from themselves onto others.” Isn’t it so that you thereby yourself project from yourself onto others?

One could already tell; self-absorption is usually also more difficult.

Nothing really to add to THAT....but I have time :)
If you actually feel attacked or as hinted here even suspect that someone would not wish you your house out of sheer "finger licking" :D that would be a pity but then I would do my thing and not post it publicly any further.
Certainly, every house builder sees that, including me as a repeat offender. None of it is necessarily better suited for you. However, I would have wished for more diverse and critical voices for my first house build, which might have driven some peacocks out of my head because I was too euphoric back then; joy is good, euphoria is often annoying and expensive. Therefore, I sometimes wonder about some people who have just built their first house and hence have no real long-term experience with older children or changing life habits. Age and experience alone are certainly no indicators of performance or quality just as sure appearance is not if combined with inexperience; the art for you is to find out what is important.
Therefore, I believe it always makes sense, especially to listen to the critical voices and not exclude or dismiss a critic because of their smaller living space or smaller budget out of arrogance.
Honestly, it tires me to read such stuff.
 

Alessandro

2020-12-01 15:35:14
  • #4
:Show your floor plan so we have a benchmark! :D The hallways are from a single-family house. All the best to your nuts!
 

Benrath

2020-12-01 16:05:42
  • #5
I don't understand the problem right now. Currently, I have taken the following with me

Proposal OG by Würfel
and the furniture placement*

I just see the things regarding the requirements and what should be based on what differently. What else is expected from me right now?

Otherwise, I currently don't see any concrete proposals that I ignore without justification or simply see differently. Or you quickly lose track here.
Or I no longer recognize any concrete proposals in some posts that I could take with me now. Otherwise, please repeat.

We are still at a fairly early stage, and construction will not start before May 2021 for various reasons, partly explained in the first post.
* According to my wife, the architect wants to discuss the furniture placement with us later. The grand piano is currently just that block in the corner.
I wrote down our requirements in the first post and again 2-3 pages ago.

I still need to think over the last two proposals from . I can even imagine the window. On the other hand, the hallway should improve due to the change in the staircase's running direction because then the stairs go down there, allowing light from the stairwell to enter.
The thing with the door is correct; the reasoning for this was probably wind protection, etc. Another well-known architect even argues for an additional windbreak, basically a second sluice. Maybe the door can be set a little more forward.
 

ypg

2020-12-01 16:18:29
  • #6


What a sentence! As if this Bauhaus edition were the be-all and end-all. Sorry. They have their justification for existence, but not everyone wants it. It is simply not the ultimate just because it suits your taste.

But it’s not just about taste, but also about functionality and neutral evaluation.

Not at all. You do that by implying that everything has to revolve around these two-story houses with roof terraces. With that, you devalue everything else.


I think the kind words about your house have gone to your head a bit. Just because not everyone builds the same way doesn’t mean they do it worse.
Many do not want this interchangeable grey in the bathrooms, the box construction, which here is already almost uniform.
 

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