Single-family house with staggered floor, southwest location in Bonn

  • Erstellt am 2020-10-05 20:40:13

Benrath

2020-11-30 10:04:52
  • #1
I don't see the genius of the plan, simply putting the kitchen up in the 60 sqm room and then the dining area below and then another room where the kitchen is. Besides, we want to have a separate kitchen. If I keep it that simple, I have a 60 sqm room with kitchen and a dining table. I find that worse. If you now make any suggestion of a completely new arrangement of the rooms so that the kitchen is, for example, where the guest/office room currently is, we can talk about that, but the proposal "swap kitchen and living room" doesn't bring me anything at least. Besides, for 4 people we would simply eat in the kitchen.
 

Matthew03

2020-11-30 11:41:30
  • #2
The house has great potential on the outside for something special, but inside it doesn't really impress me... which is a shame, because somehow you get the feeling that "more" could be done here. I also find the living area very uncomfortable; anyone standing at the front door can see all the way straight to the back, and the proportions are also poorly designed. I find the study cozier here than the couch... the kitchen, in my opinion, is too big; space is wasted here that doesn’t add any value. The hallway on the upper floor is much too dark for this type of property; this simply has to be solved better.
 

Würfel*

2020-11-30 12:12:40
  • #3
I really like the exterior views! Exactly my style :) Also the large living room and the large kitchen. We have a 21 sqm kitchen and a 45 sqm living room, and if I imagine having 10 sqm more in both, that definitely works. You just have to furnish it with a bit of skill and sensitivity so that the living room is cozy and the kitchen functional. Nevertheless, I still maintain that the staircase situation is rubbish and causes the long dark hallway towards the office as well as the long dark hallway towards the children's room. In #70 I made you a suggestion on how to divide the upper floor much better with a different staircase position. You can also move the parents' wing downstairs. I would really think about that again. For the ground floor, there is surely an ideal solution with a side staircase as well. The entrance can certainly remain centered.
 

11ant

2020-11-30 13:00:07
  • #4
The desperate effort remains to give the house a wannabe "twist" with cheeky inward and outward corners. Half a century ago, this was already done once: back then, an ambivalent-dialectical petty-bourgeois craziness was cultivated in the form of a trick that was embossed on one of the sofa decorative pillows. Here emerges a retro-Neobauhaus at its best – a style icon for everyone who does not want the 1980s in architectural culture to be represented solely by 45-degree angles in floor plans. The section shown in post #84 is by the way "10___10".
 

Benrath

2020-11-30 13:40:28
  • #5


So, for example, we also have a grand piano that we have to place somewhere. And the bottom left corner in the living room fits quite well. A bit shadier and with a view into the garden.

I had looked at your suggestion for a long time as well and explained why I wouldn’t do it. We want the bedroom on the balcony and downstairs our room planning falls apart.

I am rather thinking about whether it would be possible to create a visual connection between upper and ground floor if you simply leave an approx. 2x2 corner free where the dressing room is now.
But then you would definitely have to swap bathroom and bedroom and would have to go through the bathroom to get to the bedroom. In itself, I wouldn’t find that bad because that is how it would play out in practice anyway. Just a bit awkward if you actually wanted to sit upstairs on the balcony with friends. That should bring more light downstairs. Nothing changes in the back at the final bend upstairs, but I have come to terms with that. The only thing left would be if you completely restructured upstairs, but I wouldn’t know how.

Regarding the other post. Well, taste is subjective, so the discussion leads nowhere. There are basically no 45-degree angles anymore. What do you mean by “the depicted section is by the way ‘10___10’.”?
 

pagoni2020

2020-11-30 15:40:39
  • #6

Maybe this sounds a bit pretentious, but a grand piano is not just any item, nor is it a Bontempi organ that you just place against an available wall. It practically demands the right to be consciously and appropriately positioned. Where you suggest, it would have a view of the garden but you would be sitting cramped in the corner, right in front of the dining table. A "normal" grand piano already measures about 160x160 cm, without the bench and free space around it. But it would have the advantage that when guests come, you could also put hot dumplings or the beer keg there.
I think you urgently need to actually draw in the furniture dimensions (especially for the grand piano) etc. I am currently sitting in a room about 60 sqm and am imagining this. The back of the sofa almost touches the chair on the other side.
I don't know if this rectangular open-plan room without any offsets still feels spacious, which it actually should. If this or something similar will be your furnishing, the living room/dining table will feel cramped; furthermore, I would also like to have the entrance to the central dining table mediated.

Separating off the kitchen is your desire, but in this case it would feel too separated for me and practically only accessible through this bottleneck with a door. At this point, the spaciousness is suddenly lost because of this passage. Why not make the kitchen bigger and together with the dining table (then you’d have separation of cooking/eating from living) and the currently large open-plan room maybe less big and then only for living, reading, music……?

The house entrance area feels cramped, it also lacks spaciousness, probably because of the staircase, but there is "dead" space for the continuing corridor. If you opened "work" from the open-plan room the dreadful corridor would go away, the bathroom etc. would be larger and you would have an offset for the sofa or grand piano etc.
Much has already been said about the upper floor especially, as on the ground floor, about the corridor issue and the passage through the dressing room to the bedroom. If the dressing room was a nicely furnished, bright room then yes, but as it is not. The bathroom is not really nice as is, but you wanted to change the WC anyway; in this position, in front of the tub, it doesn’t fit in my opinion. I would swap bedroom and bathroom the same way and give both rooms more space, because here too, spaciousness suddenly disappears.

I definitely like such a building, the living room is huge in terms of area with great windows, but otherwise this spaciousness does not show in some places or suddenly disappears, which I would find unfortunate.

I also do not particularly like the image of the garage placed directly in front of the house as such a dominant block, but maybe it cannot be done otherwise.
You are 3 people, maybe sometimes four and rarely have guests staying overnight. You have expensively built space in a labyrinthine building that simply does not reflect spaciousness. I read that the furniture has not really been taken into account yet, a grand piano is somewhere still standing etc. and it comes across to me as if it is just built and then "we'll see if it can be used"; it’s big enough after all. I miss your very specific, life-tailored floor plan. In the house you wander or look for yourself, I find it simply not fluid for a family of three, although I really like spaciousness. We currently live as two people in 200 sqm and it is not too big for us, but the respective proportions or your very personal, desired usability of the rooms has to be reflected in it. Does it really?
 

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