benediktr
2019-02-17 14:24:23
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Thank you very much for the great interest in the discussion. For simplicity, I have "knocked out" the floor plans, adjusted the dimensions, and created a small section sketch. Whether this really works in reality has to be assessed by an expert. At least it was solved this way in the neighborhood.
Correct, the utility room could be a bit smaller. However, the wall panel for the straight staircase must remain. I am still trying to make adjustments here. The door under the stairs was already answered.
I measured the 3.30 m again in my current apartment and also see it as sufficient. The children's room situation actually still has optimization potential. I hope the sketch can help better interpret the slope position.
Last year, we built a city villa at my brother’s place. Helpers were father, grandpa, father-in-law, and myself. During the week a few hours, and Friday/Saturday. That is definitely nerve-wracking but I am young and resilient. The help from the aforementioned people is assured to me.
I knew the kitchen and living room situation would lead to disagreements. We really thought about this for a long time as well. I fully agree with your argumentation and know that we are accepting a disadvantage here. Nevertheless, we want it positioned like this. I want to have a view into the valley and to the street from the kitchen. Also, I want the morning sun in the kitchen and the evening sun in the living room. This is simply due to our routines and work situation. In the triangle in the north, there is a field path.
As described before, I see it as feasible because I recently did it myself. Here is an example from the sanitary installation as DIY:
The complete water/sewage installation for bathroom plus WC and kitchen was done in about 120 hours (including final installation). I get the material from wholesale at very good conditions. I am aware that there is no huge saving potential here. Still, it makes a difference whether I pay a plumber 30,000 for it or possibly manage it for 15,000 - 20,000.
I look forward to further suggestions for improvement.

Then it could even be smaller... I would put the door under the stairs. Centrally accessible...
Why? The rooms upstairs have a very good width. Nothing more is needed.
There is still something possible with K2 (wall to the hallway), K1 could then benefit from K2 (partition wall).
I don't understand the slope. I don’t understand that 3 meters is nothing. In this respect, I see a big unknown here.
Correct, the utility room could be a bit smaller. However, the wall panel for the straight staircase must remain. I am still trying to make adjustments here. The door under the stairs was already answered.
I measured the 3.30 m again in my current apartment and also see it as sufficient. The children's room situation actually still has optimization potential. I hope the sketch can help better interpret the slope position.
Do-it-yourself work is decent. Do you have that many helpers? With one or two people, you don’t get far.
If you have enough helpers, the budget looks better.
Still, the kitchen in the flight path helps because the dirt is only on the 2 meters up to the refrigerator and those are tiles. Just as an example.
This morning, five adults were sitting warmly dressed on the terrace while the children were working on the wet, partially frozen sand and gravel. That’s where the coffee machine next to the door is worth its weight in gold. Or you must have no baker and ducks in the neighborhood.
About the widths:
The bedroom and one children’s room are 3.8 m wide for us, both about 19 sqm, which is not narrow at all.
Children’s room 2 is 3.15 m wide, also around 19 sqm, still okay. A few centimeters more would be nice but no reason to throw the floor plan overboard.
What is in the north on the triangle?
I’m curious about the height information, somehow I don’t get the slope from the plan.
Last year, we built a city villa at my brother’s place. Helpers were father, grandpa, father-in-law, and myself. During the week a few hours, and Friday/Saturday. That is definitely nerve-wracking but I am young and resilient. The help from the aforementioned people is assured to me.
I knew the kitchen and living room situation would lead to disagreements. We really thought about this for a long time as well. I fully agree with your argumentation and know that we are accepting a disadvantage here. Nevertheless, we want it positioned like this. I want to have a view into the valley and to the street from the kitchen. Also, I want the morning sun in the kitchen and the evening sun in the living room. This is simply due to our routines and work situation. In the triangle in the north, there is a field path.
When evaluating DIY work as a "muscle mortgage," people tend to forget that only those friends count who simultaneously have skills and desire and time – and additionally: the synchrony of these possible DIY deployments with the construction process.
As described before, I see it as feasible because I recently did it myself. Here is an example from the sanitary installation as DIY:
The complete water/sewage installation for bathroom plus WC and kitchen was done in about 120 hours (including final installation). I get the material from wholesale at very good conditions. I am aware that there is no huge saving potential here. Still, it makes a difference whether I pay a plumber 30,000 for it or possibly manage it for 15,000 - 20,000.
I look forward to further suggestions for improvement.