Plan location of house & garage within building window *Pre-planning*

Good evening to both of you,

now I am finally at home and can answer you

I like variant 1 better in terms of orientation than variant 2.
On the upper floor, I would move the children's rooms to the bottom of the plan (south) and push the other rooms upwards. You don’t need 30 m² for sleeping and dressing and also no 22 m² bathroom.
The staircase is planned very (too) generously, but that will come with the detailed planning.
Below the guest WC, you could also plan a wardrobe. Depending on how the entrance area is to be covered, it can be very dark there and in the hallway. Variant 2 has advantages here.
The pantry is very narrow in both variants.
May I ask what the whole thing is allowed to cost?

I printed the drawings out and took them home and already saw there that both variants are definitely still too large in terms of m². Aside from the m², the room layout in variant 1 allows swapping the rooms. I thought of the future (possibly the children moving out) so that the master bedroom extends towards the east (view).

Regarding the staircase, thanks for your understanding, as I said, everything was amateurishly incorporated.
The wardrobe could also be planned similarly to variant 2, for example, I forgot that in the first step.

Regarding the costs, as I said, I can’t say anything yet; our main goal was to get a feeling for potential cuts of the house on the plot and thus get into preliminary planning and the subsequent financing discussions. About 300,000-320,000 is planned for the house excluding the basement and plot.

Everything a bit bigger and more expensive?
Here I have been working with a really blunt pencil…

On the point of everything being a bit more expensive... I can’t say much yet. The gap between wish and reality is certainly quite wide for a layperson and you are quickly brought back down to earth in the first discussions. As Oliver already mentioned above, the whole thing definitely needs to be reduced in size.

I’m really amazed regarding your "handmade quick sketches," many thanks for that.
I had to think about it a bit, but I really find the arrangement well thought out. On the ground floor, the kitchen as well as the dining and living area are the center of the whole. The stairwell with possibly a flooded area with light for the view to the east. On the upper floor, the master bedroom also faces east and everything is there. The children's rooms are towards the south-east and south-west. I like that very much too.

Is there an airless space or gallery between the children's rooms, or is it completely closed, or do the rooms simply go around the corner?



Regards, Andi

As far as I know Yvonne, the rooms there go around the corner and there are still cupboards in the hallway.

As far as I know Yvonne, the rooms turn the corner there and there are still cabinets in the hallway.

I had the photo with the airspace from you on the phone,
Would have fit in well there! However, the sound going upwards should somewhat disturb the privacy and sleep, whether from bottom to top or vice versa. Thus, the workstations with window fronts can be integrated there and built-in cabinets in the hallway.
However, when I read about 300000, one should remove about one square meter from the outside sides everywhere and compress the design.
Mine is, of course, somewhat oversized for a sketch
Then it will probably be dropped.

Meal time everyone

Oliver was probably right at first try ... I couldn’t decipher it immediately.


I showed the draft to my wife yesterday and we both actually didn’t find it bad right away. Today I tried to put it a bit on paper with EG and OG. Of course, as you can surely see here, the m² specifications are not really accurate and it’s primarily about the layout or a possible arrangement. The house should ultimately have about 170m² (without basement).

I have now also created 2 versions for myself. One with a pantry, which I wasn’t quite sure where to put, and on the OG with an additional WC.



I find the division in your draft very nice, since the kitchen, living, and dining areas are simply at the center or oriented towards the west and south. The living area also extends partly to the east as well as the staircase which could replace the gallery with the nice view from above.

The gallery regarding odors and noises has already been frequently mentioned and discussed in the forum. Ultimately, I probably see it more as a money question. Whether you can afford this topic in a house naturally designed for it.
In our case, one would look south at the side wall of the neighbor’s garage and its garden. So the view is rather unimportant, but possibly due to the spatial effect like here, for example.



Thanks in advance for your interest here!

Who is Oliver? I was already wondering that in the last post.

The floor plan is coming along slowly. A few more notes:

[*]The ground floor is identical, right?
[*]I would access the bedroom either through the walk-in closet or through the hallway. Not both.
[*]The bathroom on the upper floor can only be reached through the walk-in closet. Where do your children shower / bathe?
[*]Storage room, upstairs toilet, and pantry are quite narrow.

So you won’t be able to do anything at all with the pantry. If I interpret it correctly, it is somewhere between 80 and 100 cm. So if a shelf is placed inside, no one can get through anymore. And the "Knick" is not very helpful either.