Plan location of house & garage within building window *Pre-planning*

Good evening everyone,

since quite a lot has happened in the meantime and I have found little time to report here due to private and professional matters, I want to give you a brief further update this evening.

We have now received a first draft from "Construction Company 1", which we liked "partly" very much. This received first draft still included plans with a basement. According to the cost calculation from the construction company and after deducting the possibly intended own contributions, it could therefore be feasible.

However, since we absolutely do not want to take the risk and have to stretch ourselves financially in this regard, we will consider further planning without a basement. We feel more comfortable this way, and also after the recent discussions with this and another construction company, we no longer see the basement as absolutely necessary.

Yesterday we also had a meeting at "Construction Company 2", which left us feeling very positive. It corresponded quite closely with the conversation from Construction Company 1, and we were able to look at many floor plans and ideas from Construction Company 2 together. They brought us onto a somewhat different arrangement of the stairwell (placing it centrally) and also had more good ideas. They will now create a draft in the coming weeks with their ideas and our "wishes" within the intended budget.

After yesterday’s meeting, I tried again to put the whole thing on paper in the online program to be able to present this idea again to Construction Company 1. They will also now try to implement the new ideas together with theirs by next week.



(The staircase in the drawing is a landing staircase. Due to display-related constraints, it could not be done otherwise, unfortunately).
In the utility room, an attempt was made to place a window into the technical room to minimally transmit any possibly existing light (otherwise utility room without a window).
The house has now been intentionally planned more generously, which is why a clear height of approx. 2.63 m on the ground floor is planned.
A possible passage from the living room to the dining area has not yet been drawn in. We could imagine large sliding doors or something similar there in order to separate the living room from the dining room if needed (especially when there are many guests or children and so on).
The hallway (entrance area) was also intentionally kept spacious in order to have, among other things, space for a dressing room.
In the guest WC, the shower is at the window, which is of course nonsense, but as said, 100% attention to detail was not given.
On the upper floor, the bathroom, dressing room, and master bedroom are again arranged in a row. The children's rooms are very large at 16-18 m², which could still be reduced and the square meters then given to the guest room / office.

In one of the pictures, you also see something shaded gray with a roof. Since the hipped roof of the garage could not be extended over the technical room (it might be possible but would look bad), it is planned to pull the roof completely to the back and use the covered outdoor space as a storage room.


An attempt was also made to place the whole thing on the property.


If anything major catches your eye, just let it out.

Regards

p.s I have canceled a planned meeting with the architect again after I learned that this meeting would only discuss the next steps and the costs. "the motto being, no money, no action."

Well, a few measurements would be good. OG = full floor ... otherwise the shower and parents won't work. The stairs might be a bit too short for a landing staircase. But, without measurements.

OG .. there's somehow a stupid slanted wall between the children's rooms, and it also becomes clear why the angle in the outer wall exists at all?

Well, a few measurements would be good. OG = full floor ... otherwise shower and parents won’t work. The stairs might be a bit too short for a landing staircase. But, without measurements .

OG .. is somehow a weird slanted wall between the children's rooms and you also notice why the angle in the exterior wall at all?

Good morning kbt09,

the measurements are manually drawn in images 3 and 4, as this cannot be done digitally with the freeware

Here again:

p.s The hallway on the OG has 6.6m² not 7.7m²

But as you already correctly noticed, this is a house design inspired by a townhouse with 2 full floors. The stairs were drawn to scale based on your stair templates, with 2.25m by 3.05m. Of course, there would also be the option with 2.40m and 3.35m and thus a different inclination. I hadn’t forgotten that

The weird slanted wall between the children’s rooms, yes, that is of course a matter of taste. It was rather intended to add variety, but it’s clear that you can’t put much against it. This was also passed on to the planners accordingly. Ultimately, I think the children’s rooms are a bit large anyway with about 16-18m² and a few more square meters could be added to the guest room. But I was still missing the last idea for that, which maybe the planner now has

The angle or shift of the exterior wall is basically for the aesthetics. My wife and I actually didn’t want that cubic standard style with an almost square house. Seen that way, I think it loosens up the whole thing a bit and ultimately benefits the living room in this floor plan as well.
For the roof, this shift could possibly even be ignored, which the builder’s planner 2 suggested and to pull the roof out there at the eaves. But I also think the hip roof with the shape doesn’t look so bad.



Important: This is still the roof from the old design without the technical room etc. It should only show the roof shape.

What do you expect from the pantry?

I see it this way:

to get into the pantry, you leave 1.9m at the upper wall of the kitchen layout. Assuming one had created a connection to the right-hand kitchen line with a blind corner, that’s about 1.3 linear meters of kitchen units you sacrifice for storage. But if you look at the pantry, only on the right-hand wall are there really cabinets and shelves to be placed. Because behind the door there is no space, and neither is there at the upper wall due to the window. With 4.5m² area and 1.9m width, about 2.35 linear meters of real shelving/storage space are created on the right-hand wall.

So if you want 1 linear meter more storage space, you sacrifice 4.5m² plus the access to the pantry of 0.8m² (1.3m * 0.6m depth of units).

At €2000/m², that is more than €10,000.

Taken to the extreme, 1m more storage space costs €10,000. That’s probably the most expensive 100cm of your life.

I understand the purpose of a pantry. However, in today’s houses it is rather rendered pointless because you basically have the same temperature everywhere. I would rather assign it to the utility room, so cleaning supplies can be stored there. You don’t absolutely have to get there directly from the kitchen. The utility room then becomes much more usable – you could think about a direct access to the garden for pre-washing, which is certainly quite convenient in summer for hanging laundry.

I would then store the food supplies in the gained space in the kitchen.

Will the living room really be furnished like that? I don’t like the sofa in front of the sliding door. In case of this furnishing, I would move it to the right wall, then the outside view would also match better with the window in children’s room 2.

I am also in favor of combining the pantry with the utility room: short distance from the entrance and kitchen to the utility room, which can be zoned, storage in front, laundry in the back. The door to the technical room is unnecessary, better to create a direct exit from the utility room. -> better furnishing of the kitchen possible.

The slanted wall on the upper floor is questionable. I, a friend of openness, would advise you to read your thread including [photos] from the beginning and then ask yourself whether the latest plan includes what you want if the sliding doors come between [Essen] and [Wohn].

Regards