Plan location of house & garage within building window *Pre-planning*

  • Erstellt am 2016-08-09 10:52:18

Jochen104

2016-08-19 07:41:14
  • #1
Good morning Andreas,
at first glance a few notes right away:

I would leave out the corridor stump to the kitchen/living area. It neither benefits you inside nor can you use the hallway properly there.
Since we're already at it, I can tell you now that you won't be happy with the stove in this spot (dirt, radiant heat directly in the walking/door area). Also, the chimney flue is missing on the upper floor.
A simple window is enough for the utility room. You will lack storage space otherwise. Additionally, your workshop is unusable. You can also leave out the narrow corridor and just make a small workshop area at the top of the plan. That should be enough and save a lot of money.
The garage obviously has way too many windows. Especially since you are building on the border, you are not allowed to have a window on the border side. With the window towards the front door, you have to be aware that anyone who goes to the front door will first look into the garage.

The bedroom probably needs to be a bit wider. The closets in the dressing corridor look at most like 40 cm closets. You should rather plan with 60 cm ones. A narrow window should be sufficient there as well. One possibility would be to move the wall between dressing room and bathroom slightly down on the plan and create a kind of closet niche there.
The storage room and the second bathroom on the upper floor have probably disappeared because of the walls, unfortunately.

But now this is going quite into detail.
 

RobsonMKK

2016-08-19 07:56:29
  • #2
Just my two cents
I fully agree with Jochen about the hallway, it’s useless.
I would look for another spot for the fireplace. As already mentioned, maybe consider placing it on the exterior wall.
I would omit the window in the small wall kink.

Nothing much comes to mind about the upper floor right now... but it seems like a case of “worsening improvement.”
It could also get a bit tricky with the setback areas. Maybe a brief explanation of what I did with the model: I directly placed a 53 cm wall between the garage (36 cm exterior wall + 17 cm prefabricated garage). You’d have to do something similar with the utility room, otherwise it might get difficult with the bedroom nook.
 

Jochen104

2016-08-19 08:02:07
  • #3
Oh yes, wall thicknesses. To get realistic estimates, better use 40cm exterior walls (36.5cm brick + 2cm exterior plaster + 1.5cm interior plaster), 27cm load-bearing interior walls (24cm + 1.5cm plaster each side) and 14cm for non-load-bearing interior walls (11cm + 1.5cm plaster each side). But those are details. By the way, for the garage I only have the 36.5cm exterior wall of my house. The flat roof of the garage was cast together with the ground floor ceiling of the house (thermally separated), so I saved myself the garage wall to the house.
 

ypg

2016-08-19 08:10:12
  • #4
goes into detail, says it bluntly: worsening improvement I agree and repeat myself: leave the sketch at home
 

Häuslebau3r

2016-08-19 08:14:55
  • #5
Morning Jochen,

thanks in advance again for your information and comments.

As for the plot stub, we also considered it again yesterday. But it was already late in the evening and the wine was gone But of course everything you say is true. The idea was to possibly maintain the L-shape that is supposed to show the kitchen, dining, and living area. I no longer included the step in the living room in this draft, since there was actually enough space there, but rather made it in the dining room to have more space for the island (just by the way as info).

As for the famous stove, we have to put that aside for now, as I just slapped it in there (didn't really find an alternative spot at that moment). We tended to want a 180-degree fireplace, but unfortunately the right place for it has not been found yet. Maybe you guys have one or two tips on where it could go, especially regarding dirt, radiant heat, etc. I had actually thought of placing it as a kind of room divider between the living and dining areas.

The information about the utility room and the garage was not known to me, so I can of course include that again and make changes. The separation between garage and workshop was actually intended because of dirt and also moisture in winter. But I can see that the hose with a width of 1.60 m is not really a winner I will remove the window due to the boundary development (north side).

The bedroom, of course, if it is constructively possible and considering all other influences such as statics, costs, etc., could be extended a bit towards the dressing room. I already included this small niche in the bathroom, but then didn’t quite manage with the bathroom. I have to look at it again. The cabinets, as you already said, have a depth of 45 cm in the drawing.

Yes, the other two rooms disappeared due to the walls. In the end, I would have preferred a storage room to a WC on the upper floor. Now we’d have to see how else it is possible. If everything works out, I’ll adjust it again tonight and then also upload a version with sqm measurements here.

Regards, Andreas



Yes Yvonne, I already understood ops:
 

Climbee

2016-08-19 08:27:57
  • #6
I just can't understand all these nooks and crannies in the design...

Always some niche, a corner, a bend somewhere. Why? Apart from the fact that it considerably increases the cost, also think about later: this is no fun to clean!
Why this recessed corner in the garage/workshop/utility room combo? Make it rectangular! Then you have a garage in the front and two equally sized rooms in the back, one workshop, one utility room. Which one needs to be bigger depends on what you plan and what you want to use the rooms for. Does it work if one is a walk-through room or do you want to sacrifice space again for a hallway?

I understand the desire to have a second shower, but as it is now, it's hopeless. You have this bump in the hallway for the shower, but no space in the hallway itself to put a coat rack anywhere.
Possibly reduce the kitchen area, do without the island, or plan the dining area differently and give the hallway enough space to at least hang a coat and have a place to put street shoes without the next person having to trip over them.

Upstairs, it's also too convoluted for me and the bathtub in the middle of the bathroom is not really a stroke of genius... it can be done better! (Maybe move the door a bit more to the middle and put the tub against the wall?)

Somehow it still doesn't quite work for me. I also advocate going to the architect with a list of requirements, but not with the sketch, and see what suggestions they come up with. You can still incorporate your ideas, but maybe they will take you in a different direction. Also regarding the layout itself. I don't find that golden either.

And definitely clarify the issue of the garage integrated into the living area with the building authority beforehand. Or the architect can answer whether that’s possible or not. I wouldn’t be sure about that either.
 

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