House without garage and basement? Attic expansion? Lipoma?

  • Erstellt am 2015-06-24 19:59:16

Grym

2015-06-25 01:13:48
  • #1
Yes, yes... this will still be bought this year (so far bindingly reserved). It is probably a very sought-after residential area because almost all plots are already taken, although nothing has even appeared on Immoscout or similar yet. And the developing company only gets the major part of the money upon final handover, so they are really putting a lot of effort into it now and want to get it finished as quickly as possible.

The construction prices are not that ambitious if you compare them with Polish prefabricated houses, for example. Currently, the Saxon representative offers about 1,050 EUR per sqm including base plate and Kfw70. But they don't want to be such cheap providers, also Heinz von Heiden not. Heinz von Heiden is in a similar price segment anyway.

At 1,250 EUR, it's already about a local and reputable construction company that works with local and reputable partners. By now, I know x-thousand building blogs about various local providers. But prices can be quite different in NRW.

It doesn't matter now how the regional price differences are, right?
 

f-pNo

2015-06-25 16:03:54
  • #2


I don’t have to understand your calculation, but that’s not a big deal. You want to have a standard cube built for 1,200 euros/sqm and then calculate the desired equipment separately. In the end, when you add everything up, you will probably come to the often mentioned 1,500 euros/sqm anyway. But let’s leave that aside.

150 sqm wasteful? It depends. It depends on exactly what you want. What you need (e.g. an office/guest room or so)? Storage space? You write that you want to build without a basement and garage (maybe a carport later). We did the same. Only we built two full floors + a pitched roof. Up there, quite a lot is already stored (just the material left over from the construction – some paint and wallpaper, laminate, 3 packages of each tile type as replacement). Also in the utility room. The carport + a garden shed are still to come (this is where the patio furniture, grill, bicycles, gardening tools will go).

Are 150 sqm enough or too much? Rather ask yourself if you will be happy with it in the long run. Or could it happen that in 5 years, when you maybe have 2 kids, you say: too bad, I should have built bigger. Of course there is always the argument: when I was a child I also lived on 7 sqm. But first, as a parent you want the best for your children (as far as possible) – so they should have enough space to develop. And second, you wouldn’t want to live on 7 sqm now either. You move out of a rented apartment and look for a bigger one. In your own house you usually want to live long and be HAPPY.

Sit down and think everything over calmly. Keep in mind that it should also fit in the future and that you need enough storage space. You won’t carry patio furniture up to the attic all the time. It already annoys me that I only have to bring it a few meters to the storage room at the moment (OK – but we also have very heavy wooden chairs).

so long.
 

Grym

2015-06-25 23:43:18
  • #3
So then the following, somewhat larger (150 sqm city villa with 2 full floors), option to use the attic via a pull-down ladder, option for a garage but initially without garage and without carport, in the house besides 2 children's rooms a study, which by size could also become a 3rd children's room as well as a bedroom with dressing room. I have roughly copied the ground floor plan from the internet:



Explanations:

The staircase is a landing staircase, the starting point practically in the middle of the room (so from the living room door the nearest possibility; unfortunately I have no suitable stairs in my copying program). Outward-opening windows = fixed glazing. Except for the one kitchen window and the windows in the utility room and WC, all windows/doors are floor-to-ceiling.

Function of the counter according to my wife’s statement: When you have breakfast alone and quickly drink a coffee or when cooking and want to sit for peeling or similar tasks, and of course the visual effect / partition effect and yet open towards the dining area.

If we invite more guests, it should be clear whether we are inside or outside. If on that day we are inside, the table would be extended and moved toward the terrace doors (which then would not be used that day). I forgot to draw in cabinets, possibilities would be the two corners bottom left and bottom right or between kitchen and dining area.

Regarding the lock side of the front door: Shoes should be able to be placed under the stair landing area. This area is right there at the beginning of the house. Oh, the staircase will get a window as well (probably fixed glazing), also forgot to draw it in.

The door between corridor and living area is intended to be left permanently open. Only if someone needs to use the WC can he close two doors behind him. That was a concern of my wife’s, if everything is open then WC noises could get into the living room.

The utility room is intended for all kinds of things, among other things also hanging laundry, ironing briefly (rarely), storage space and possibly some garden stuff.

We are initially three people on the 150 sqm. The second child will come later. I think for the next years there will be no space problems. When the time comes, we can decide about attic conversion or garage. Space for garage remains reserved. The attic should be constructed so that there is no structural problem with a later conversion, but initially with 3 people on 150 sqm conversion is not yet necessary.
 

ypg

2015-06-25 23:47:55
  • #4
... falls out again due to the missing door hallway/kitchen or the gigantic route to the kitchen from everywhere.
 

Grym

2015-06-25 23:56:56
  • #5
No, honestly. We don’t want a door between the kitchen and the hallway. I also looked at quite a few pictures of open kitchens today, and if there is still a door there, it looks absolutely awful. An architect might be able to put it better, but two openings in one room somehow make it feel uncomfortable. You get the feeling that you are standing in a passage room. Which it actually is.

In our current apartment, it’s also like this that you first go through the living room to get from the kitchen to the hallway, and that’s great. So please just ignore the supposedly missing door and look at the rest, or even better, interpret the missing door positively.
 

ypg

2015-06-26 00:05:36
  • #6


...but not if you have a room divider counter. Smart aleck!

Now it's more of a trapped room!

The kitchen is thus no longer fully accessible if your chopping lady or your breakfast kid is sitting at the counter.

Edit: You make your living room a passageway and thus make the kitchen dependent on the living area
The kitchen would not be a walkthrough room since the living room has a separate door to the hallway.
 

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