List of incidental construction costs. More expensive "on the builder's side"?

Does anyone actually feel like and have time (this is probably the problem) to create a master Excel sheet with all possible incidental costs? If it’s about formulas, I can gladly assist?

Hm, actually this is a thread where little discussion should take place. There is a parallel thread about what makes building a house expensive, unfortunately I can't link it (Tapatalk).

Nevertheless, honestly, I find the good old table on paper, where deletions and improvements are visible with a few margin notes, much more effective than Excel. But personally, I never needed formulas either. A good calculator can add things up. Later on, you can transfer it nicely so the bank can read everything as well. On the first pages of this thread, many incidental building costs are mentioned for the federal states. It would be nice if one or the other would immortalize themselves here again after building a house, so that the thread remains what it is: an information page.

There is no master plan: every construction performance description includes different things. And each plot has a different basis as well as each federal state or district allows different mandatory positions to be estimated.

But here I am again at the favorite example of pyrolysis (nice to have but unnecessary).

What is the definition of "necessary"?

Depending on that, building the house itself is unnecessary, a garden maybe too, and so on.

To be honest, every homeowner has long since arrived at nice-to-have, because they indulge in the luxury of building a house – a luxury even at a low standard.

For the additional costs, this means at first, there are no unnecessary things, there are only things that one wants with more or less priority. And those who cannot afford everything have to make a personal priority list and then start crossing off from the bottom up to keep the budget.

What is necessary here is individual and is represented by the position on the list. That’s why it is difficult to say from the outside what is unnecessary.

Example: If you told me I had a pyrolysis oven as an unnecessary gadget and therefore wasted money, I would reply that you can’t know that. You don’t know the usage behavior.
As a frequent cook, who also often roasts whole birds in the oven (dirty business!), I used to have to scrub by hand, which was time-consuming and labor-intensive. More often. As soon as I could afford pyrolysis, it naturally had a high priority because staying with hand cleaning: no fucking way!

Your point about being able to hold back on things is basically correct. But who decides what appropriate restraint is?

In my personal opinion, the most frequently disregarded restraint is at the point where the decision to build the house itself is made. Putting up a home and then having to rigorously cut down a list where points are listed that one otherwise hopes will bring quality of life: that only makes sense if you have thoroughly thought through the trade-off for yourself. I don’t always have that feeling. But on the other hand, one is welcome to see it differently.

As soon as you have to decide between an entrance platform or pyrolysis... the discussion about what is necessary becomes pointless, right?

I agree with you, everyone has their points that are important or unimportant to them. Otherwise, we would all want everything.

Your point about being able to hold back on things is basically correct. But who decides what appropriate restraint is?

I think that is a very good question. In my view, among other things, the wallet and a certain rationality decide (at least for us). Men and women have to regulate themselves mutually (that’s how we operate), otherwise costs spiral out of control. Each of us has their own ideas and wishes. Sometimes my wife says "No," and sometimes I do.

How can you decide against building a house if the goal is to own property? I don’t build because I have to live somewhere.
If you don’t fundamentally have the prerequisites (a certain amount of equity and income) to build your envisioned home, then the path is already over before the actual planning and cost calculation!

As soon as you have to decide between an entrance platform or pyrolysis... the discussion about what is necessary becomes pointless, right?

Well, you didn’t take into account the core statement of my post.

If pyrolysis is something extremely important to me personally because I need it every few weeks and thus gain significant comfort, then the very fact that I put myself in a situation where I have to choose between entrance platform and pyrolysis is questionable.

There are a few points on a list that should never be sacrificed. And if you can’t build a house without cutting corners here, you should leave it – not everyone thinks about it that way.

How can someone decide against building a house when the goal is to own property?

Because you don’t only have this one goal, but others as well, and in case of incompatibility you have to weigh them against each other.

I have already addressed in several posts the – purely economic – nonsense of building a new house. Also in terms of weighing different life goals/life qualities, you always have to be careful not to be seduced by the romantic aspect that the idea of home ownership certainly has. This eros alone is not a concept that leads to long-term satisfaction.

Nevertheless, everyone who has considered this and still decides to build a house should do so and be happy. After all, that’s what life is for.

I just don’t like being told from the outside what should be relevant to me and what shouldn’t. Take your example of platform versus pyrolysis: there’s already been a wrong decision made beforehand, at least in a specific case.

I am reluctant to be told from the outside what is relevant for me and what is less so. See your example of podium versus pyro: There was already a wrong decision made beforehand, at least in a specific case.

I am already aware of what you mean and no, I do not want to dictate to anyone here what is necessary or unnecessary. But due to wrong decisions/misinformation, it is inevitably necessary to weigh what is relevant in the short, medium, and long term and what is not. This only does not matter with an "unlimited budget."

I myself do not assume that from the first idea ("having a full house" to "everything is finished") everything will proceed according to plan, so that "almost" every homebuilder can end up in such a situation. I believe there was once a thread called "What did you treat yourself to/what did you have to do without." That was interesting….

The project "house building" is simply too big for that. We wouldn’t be here if there were no uncertainty or challenges of this kind, among others.

Economically speaking, I simply cannot pay enough rent to "recoup" all the costs, that’s true.