24 cm Ytong + insulation or 36.5 cm Ytong

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Knallkörper

2017-03-07 15:11:32
  • #1


I wouldn't say that. Ytong has better properties regarding sound insulation than the insulation layer of the ETICS. However, ETICS has better properties regarding thermal insulation.
 

world-e

2017-03-07 15:15:56
  • #2
36.5cm Ytong 0.186W/m²K
24cm Ytong + 12cm EPS 0.152W/m²K

The lower the value, the better and the less heat "escapes" through the wall. For KfW55 according to reference values, >0.2W/m²K would be sufficient. Just for comparison, my timber frame wall will reach about 0.11W/m²K at 39cm thickness.

Then, of course, it depends on which thermal conductivity group the materials have. I also don't know if there is only one Ytong or different ones (regardless of the thickness).
 

11ant

2017-03-07 15:39:40
  • #3
Yes, aerated concrete also exists in different bulk densities.

Styrofoam always has a better thermal insulation effect than aerated concrete or any other stone, but it is not a stone and therefore an apples-to-oranges comparison.

In my opinion, the essential statement is that both wall construction alternatives fulfill KfW55.

KfW54 or 53 etc. do not exist. From a funding perspective, anything that does not meet KfW40 is considered only KfW55.

"Only" meeting KfW55 already means a good thermal insulation standard. Managing to save five euros more in energy costs per month somewhere else doesn’t make a big difference. I wouldn't want to adopt a stupid wall construction for that.

I have already slept as peacefully as in Abraham’s lap behind aerated concrete walls, noticing no poor sound insulation. Even when walking next to metalworking companies in aerated concrete halls, no noise disturbed me, although I have very sensitive hearing and there certainly was no monastic silence there.

My answer to the house provider’s question "would you prefer to plaster masonry or insulation boards" would be without hesitation masonry.

I summarize:

1) 12 cm Styrofoam insulates "better" than 12 cm more aerated concrete.

2) As long as the "KfW40" bar is not reached, it remains KfW55. Whether one could theoretically reach a virtual KfW49 with massive aerated concrete and a virtual KfW44 by substituting 12 cm wall thickness with insulation boards is irrelevant for funding.

3) How much of the calculated energy savings with "more insulation" actually ends up in the wallet is questionable. I see that as no more than peanuts.

4) Aerated concrete is neither a catastrophe in terms of noise and sound insulation, nor could that be gold-plated with Styrofoam.

5) Massive aerated concrete is dowel-stable on both sides.
 

astron

2017-03-07 15:40:11
  • #4
Those are statements I can actually work with! Thanks!! Are the 0.186 W/m²K noticeable compared to 0.152 W/m²K?

I will also approach the site manager with these numbers.... mmhm but the biggest argument for me right now is still the possibility to simply attach things... satellite dish / sun awnings, etc. I still have concerns that we might run into problems if we decide on the insulation.

Sorry for the many layman questions...
 

RobsonMKK

2017-03-07 15:44:40
  • #5
There are special mounting blocks that can be placed in between for that purpose. This has also been discussed here in the forum before.
 

11ant

2017-03-07 16:09:28
  • #6


Every theorist will confidently respond with a "Yes!!" If you prefer classic window ventilation over living with air conditioning, however, the difference will not reflect on the bill. At least not enough to pay for an extra week of vacation per year - rather three beers or a pack of cigarettes per month. In theory, the difference seems more significant
 

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