Floor plan single-family house, approx. 200 sqm without basement - assessment

Compare the paths from the garage to the house:


and then


And also compare the possibilities each hallway offers ... with approximately the same size.

Although in your developer's floor plan the stairs also look quite steep and narrow again.

The idea behind all your planning was also to be able to sensibly separate upstairs and downstairs.

I have seen your examples from the WWW: normal rooms and corridors without any additional noses extending from the corridor. Your suggestions here somewhat resemble mazes.

: The passage through the cloakroom is exactly what we want. This will not be a normal technical room. Instead, it will be a "changing room" that you enter from the garage and from there go into the house. This is deliberately intended by us, even if others do things differently in such a room. So it is very consciously planned explicitly that we want to go through this room. The narrow corridor in your example of the 1st hallway from you up to the guest room is only about 1 meter as well. But this narrow corridor extends much longer than in my last draft—the "corridor" with access to the guest WC and utility room/ cloakroom.

In my last draft, the guest toilet is not passed by the entrance, that was an idea. Namely a shorter route from the living room to the bathroom.

I also find in direct comparison of the hallways at least as many possibilities for placing small cabinets or mirrors. It is really a matter of perspective. When I look at my convoluted draft in the program in 3D, I don’t think it’s wrong. It’s not your run-of-the-mill “efficiency is the main thing,” it’s something different. Which also has style. You open the door and the first wall slopes off with a cabinet and a mirror next to it, then the view opens into the 3-meter-wide corridor. I don’t find it cramped at all.

@ypn: Compared to the Milano house and my hallway, it’s 90% comparable. With the difference that both length and width are larger in my case.

I fear that my drafts might also always appear a bit deceptive or only zoomed in. I don’t have external dimensions of 9x11 m or so, but 12x12. All doors on the ground floor are planned/drawn at 1 m wide. Accordingly, the wings also open wider. So it may appear zoomed in. If you then imagine the house with smaller dimensions, it’s certainly tighter. Maybe this creates the impression that everything is small. But I think in reality it isn’t like that, when I go through the show homes, but everything in mine (much) is bigger...

In the kitchen, the island can be narrower, it does not have to be 2 m wide. Less is enough, you can adjust this with the kitchen fitter later.

If I were to remove the 15-20 sqm utility room/ cloakroom from the 12x12 m, I would also have a lot more freedom. But I do not want to hang my jackets and shoes directly in the garage. As said, we would like to arrange this room as a "transitional room" through which we enter the house from the garage. The guest cloakroom is really then just for the guests.

We have many requirements, plus the north side is almost completely built up by the garage. I actually considered my newer drafts as an improvement...

If you still want to cook on the peninsula, the one on the left wall can shrink to a max of 180 cm to still be somewhat functional. Generally, coming from the hallway, you first have to walk about 4 meters into the kitchen to get to the actual kitchen area. In the non-developer variants, you also no longer have the bump for the old kitchen buffet.

Where has your large sofa actually gone?

In my version, the corridor towards the guest room is about 135 cm wide. And in my version, there is also an 18 sqm technical/storage room within the actual house envelope.

I think you also find the route through the "private wardrobe" in the technical room too unrealistic. Every time you leave the house, you have to go through there and then through the garage to get outside. If you or your future children come home with friends... well, what happens then?

I find slanted walls stylish only when they have a special meaning, not just because they are slanted. For example, I find a rather spacious staircase stylish in a large house and not a staircase that you would also build in a small terraced house. There is simply no way around that.

I remind you once again, one of your wishes was also to possibly be able to make a sensible division of the house into ground floor and upper floor. I do not see that in any of the variants, neither the developer’s nor your modification variants.

Hello,
it's great that we help each other and exchange ideas in forums. But keep in mind that you are allowed and must choose from the tips, and that it is not your job to convince or satisfy everyone. You know your needs best.
(By the way, with my kitchen planning it was also the case that some of the criticism came from the fact that the advisors simply completely misjudged the dimensions.)
I would let everything settle and let the subconscious work. The latter, after proper feeding, then delivers the decisive gut feeling about where you should change and what you should stick to.
Regards

Yes, you are right, willWohnen.

Opinions differ, but I think the indicated furnishings should not be overestimated. In my drafts, I have also reduced the house dimensions back to 12x12m.

I once swapped the large sofa exemplarily for 2x 3-seaters. But I am calculating with 3.5m from the wall, whether it will be a sofa landscape or single seats will be decided then. I want to keep everything free in terms of design. Therefore no window to the east in the living room, then the TV can also be placed there and the sofa with its back to the dining area.

I also took another look at your draft. Thanks also that you often used almost the same dimensions and try to show me the effects with small changes. I don’t want to sound ungrateful either. But the spark doesn’t quite jump over. The arguments against “my” drafts partly also apply to yours. Making the guest room that wide is certainly good from the guest room’s perspective (not priority 1 for me). However, this makes the living room narrower. It would then be smaller than I currently have it. I live in a 140 sqm semi-detached house and the living room is 4.6m x 5.1m, which is too narrow for me. The space between sofa/table and the media wall is still available, but as soon as I want to sit around the table, the chairs soon bump into my media wall behind. So 4.48m is too short.

The slant for the kitchen display cabinet has been dropped for now (not yet in the BU), since I was advised (including by the other architect and you) not to include so many corners and edges.

In your draft, putting shelves lengthwise in the utility room with a width of 2.64m probably won’t work either, as the passages would be too narrow.

When I come in through the front door, I am not greeted by a large hallway, but first by a bend (not even a slant) to the left, then a twist to the right, and finally a “corridor” to the guest room to the left. The front door would even hit any jackets hanging on hooks when opening...

I roughly sketched my ideas for partitioning.




By slightly moving the walls, I can also widen the narrow corridors a bit without significant losses in the other rooms. I did this for the area entrance, guest toilet, and kitchen. There I now have a width of 1.4m if the wall is moved slightly towards the utility room. If I remove the bend entirely, I get a corridor 1.8m wide. That’s also possible, but what do I do with 1.8m? Our current hallway in the existing semi-detached house is only 1.75m wide.

Attached are the changes:


For the kitchen island, we plan to maintain a distance of 1.3m between the kitchen cabinets and the island. Often less is found. If I go down to 1.2m, I can slightly reduce the pantry downwards and also shift the wall a bit. Then I already have a good 1.4m passage width. But the question is about usefulness. Do I need the extra 10-20cm just for walking through, or do I rather need this space between the island and the kitchen cabinets? I would choose the latter. Maybe we even like a kitchen completely without an island, then the room would be easily large enough.

In any case, I would rather give the rooms more space than wider corridors... The main corridor under the stairs will then be 2.8m wide. That’s not too narrow, right, what do you think?

I would appreciate criticism along the lines of (which kbt09 basically did with his draft): “If you move this wall here and there, it will be better for such and such reason...” or something like that.

Not “everything is bad,” that doesn’t bring me any closer to a solution. Although even “everything is bad” are individual opinions, I understand that too.

In summary, I find that our ideas/wishes, which are not trivial, are well combined with the drafts. Many things can be done differently but then have other pros and cons. Moreover, I find that the new generation with the staircase in the center of the house is more clearly structured. But then it is again “standard.” You enter through the front door, the stairs run along the wall, behind that the entrances to all rooms, blah blah.

In my other draft, I precisely wanted to avoid that. You come in, and at first, it looks different than anything you have ever seen. I have attached some 3D views. Everything looks “stranger” there as well because it does not have the wide angle of the human eye, but from that you can see what I mean.

Don’t worry about colors etc. here either, it’s just initially illustrative.










On the other hand, I have to say that I like the bathroom better in the latest generation, especially since a bathtub can also be accommodated.

All in all, it can be said that I am undecided.

Best regards

PS: big compliments to the forum software. I think it’s very, very good!!