Floor plan single-family house, approx. 200 sqm without basement - assessment

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We have very fixed ideas and I have my relatively firm views. That’s why there are already 15 pages of correspondence and some friction. I know the tips are well meant, but the participants unfortunately keep striking the deeply cut groove, which does not improve my position here.
In general, I believe it can be done better, I just don’t know how. Because just looking nicer with compromises on my part doesn’t do it for me.

I skimmed through this thread again: two things stuck out to me.
On one hand your opening post, on the other your analysis of the examples that come from us.

Unfortunately, you are too stuck in your self-imposed walls to allow anything else. Always the same mistakes, so typical for a layperson, not even allowing something different anymore.
Our ideas weren’t meant to be analyzed. They were simply meant to show you that there are other ways to execute your catalog.
To be honest, I haven’t seen in the slightest that you’ve been inspired—and that probably isn’t because of the suggestions.

So why should anyone still bother to show you other perspectives now! You’re apparently waiting for the ultimate design?

Is this thread even in any way an enrichment for you?

Asks Yvonne

P.S. You don’t put a dish in the west unless you have to.

Well, so far I only ever get endless opposing opinions. From my entire circle of acquaintances, however, not.
I then let it sit for quite a while, then created a new plan with an architect myself and showed this one here.

Same reaction. If I were to show another almost finished plan by an architect here now, there would probably be little praise either, just because of the "mood" here.

To be honest, my plan and kbt09’s weren’t that drastically different. The decisive factor for me, namely the kitchen and living area, is even identical. It was the same with the architect. So what can be so bad about that?

And the "secondary rooms", well, that’s debatable. In my case, some rooms were casually drawn as 2.5x5m. These are "bad" because they are too narrow. Other layouts include rooms of 2.5x3.5m, making them rectangular and okay.
Now my question: If I manage to expand this room from 2.5x3.5 to even 5m in length in terms of space, what makes it worse then? I can also separate 2m with a curtain so that it’s not usable, but beautifully rectangular!

When I look at my wishes, I see most of them in the draft we created for a long time. So I don’t want to simply deviate from that without finding the alternative better.
Why a "step backwards", even if others like it better?

Some things are criticized in my plan, in my opinion, that kbt09 has also implemented. But there it’s okay? And with me not? I don’t understand...

It’s like this: I have a 12x12m exterior shell, which I have to fill by positioning the interior walls. The available area is always the same. So you have to consider where I need how much of it.

For example, you rightly told me that I waste too much space on the hallway. I have already reduced that. If the kitchen island causes a bottleneck, just imagine it gone. Then the "corridor" to the kitchen with 1.4m width (in my opinion not cramped) is only 1.5m long; after that, the L-shaped kitchen begins, for example.

And the niche, in which either only the wardrobe or even better the door to the guest WC is located, we would like that. In whatever form and whichever corner of the house.
You can see that at Viebrockhaus in every second floor plan... so do they get it wrong every other time as well?

I think criticism must be expressed with counter-proposals to be helpful.

Not that no one has done that here. But every other post is "you are resistant to advice" etc.

I then explain (why shouldn’t I comment, I think that’s the least if you already sit down and draw something) my view of your generated floor plans.
What I like, and what I don’t. What suits me from my point of view and what doesn’t.

And sometimes I find it funny that things are criticized in my plans that others also do "wrong" or "badly". But well, checking out and analyzing anyone else’s draft besides mine is not what this is about either.

In the end, you have to live in the house and no one from the forum. Just don't expect people like kbt to spend even more hours here than they already have if you reject all the suggestions anyway. What I would definitely look at again is the price; under €1300/sqm including painting work would be extremely low. You should check again what is really included to avoid being surprised by high additional costs later.

Using Kaho as an example, you can also see very well how much the furnishing alone makes a difference. With smaller dimensions combined with smaller furnishings, everything somehow looks appropriate.

There, I wouldn’t be able to fit my dining table and a lounge area of 3.5m including a fireplace and my hi-fi living room wall.

As I have already mentioned, I always tend to plan rather larger furniture to avoid an unpleasant surprise later. For example, my dining table is 1.1 x 2m in size, not exactly small. The dining nook in the kitchen has leg dimensions of 1.5 x 2m. Also not exactly tiny. In combination with a somewhat larger room, it then looks cramped and small again.

Attached is a view with correspondingly smaller furniture and a different kitchen unit:

I am grateful to kbt09 for providing the incentives. But if I now go with his draft for the draftsman and submit it as is, then you are all satisfied with it here, right?

3m are supposedly too narrow to set up a dining table, but I also have to live with that in his draft. Twisted corridors are annoying, but I am supposed to rebuild them like that...

It does annoy me a bit that everyone is only negative towards me.

You can really only discuss prices if you know the respective region, so that only makes moderate sense. What is clear is that an extra charge for a special tile we choose has a bigger financial effect with 50sqm than with 30sqm. I also already said that this BU is cheaper compared to others. A direct colleague of mine did not regret it!!

Besides, I would like to make it a bit smaller, but I lack ideas. Now I keep getting some, but it has to fit for me as well.

@Koha: Thanks for that first of all.

I appreciate what you have done. I was accused more than once that 20sqm corridor would not be so good because it's actually a bit too much. But now I have a total of 24sqm with you including WF. I don't need the additional guest bathroom, one is enough for me, then immediately with shower/better bathtub. I like the utility room as it is, but I would push the garage back to the east side again to have more yard in front. The NW corner in the back is simply dead space. You can't know that; you don't know the property. The whole east side is fenced off from the neighbors with a 2m high wooden fence (was already like that when I bought it). It will stay that way. Living room and kitchen around the corner and the guest room below, by the way, is exactly what I also have in the drawer. Pantry then exactly at the top left. Now comes the catch again: the fence. My kitchen faces west; my wife can look somewhat onto the street while washing up or something. In the draft where the kitchen is on the east side, I only look at the 3m border strip and the 2m wooden fence. There is nothing more to see. That would be a disadvantage. You also couldn't go directly to the terrace. As I said, we already had that once as an option.

Overall, I now have a smaller living room, a smaller kitchen (although only 3sqm are "lost" with me), but a bigger pantry.

As I said, the total area is always the same; you can only design the individual rooms differently sized.

The garage should have a separate entrance; as you already mentioned, you didn't know that yet. I can't separate the ground floor like that directly either, at least it doesn't make sense to me.

I really like the upstairs bathroom. I will also think about making the entrance to the laundry room "only" from the bathroom. It's always difficult when someone wants to have peace in the bathroom and at the same time someone else wants to access the laundry room. Sure, that only rarely happens. But with the variant with a direct entrance from the hallway, that would also be ensured.

The party room unfortunately doesn't work like that because we first have a flat roof 3m from the left due to boundary development. Maybe you didn't know that either; in any case, it won't work like that.

It is almost impossible to create a draft that fits without an extensive conversation or reading these 100 pages.

I don't know how everyone else sees it, whether the last draft is so much better. For me, it remains that two new facets have come up that I can consider. Thanks for that.

But don't be mad at me if I don't want to build my house exactly as it is now.

Again: no one expects you to adopt a proposal exactly as it is. It is meant to show you that there are many room arrangements that make something more out of your catalog and existing QM without contorting yourself in any way. But you are not interested.

And who sets the 12 x 12 here? Who determines a square living space that is very difficult to furnish?

As far as we’re concerned, you should build whatever and however you want. But don’t expect to be confirmed in your mistakes now. If someone seeks advice and after 105 posts still insists on their own planning errors, it is usually not due to the helpfulness and flexibility of those giving advice. I think that although you are very engaged with the topic of house building, you still don’t have much… sensitivity regarding room design.

None of us here are trained designers or architects, unfortunately, but some here have skills that cannot be learned, which is called spatial awareness.

I find it simply very unfortunate that this thread is going so unsatisfactorily – it keeps going in circles… I haven’t noticed any quarrels now.

I also doubt that the BU made you a calculation based on your ideas.