Floor plan, building with tree, granny flat, and existing buildings

  • Erstellt am 2023-02-21 20:48:29

K a t j a

2023-10-21 11:26:00
  • #1
We have one more. With the setback – although somewhat smaller. I haven't calculated how it looks with the single-story aspect. The planner should rack their brains over that. In any case, also 1.50m knee wall and another setback in the stairwell for a spectacular light orgy. Plus the Murkelnest at the very top, apparently a heartfelt wish. However, the carport question remains tricky.



 

11ant

2023-10-21 12:07:51
  • #2
I take this as an answer to my question: so it was not an architect without quotation marks after all. The masons will definitely get less corner bonus ;-) Perhaps as a quick quality test of floor plans for all self-planners: as a first indicator, just circle in red all points where a wall changes direction after less than 2m.
 

ypg

2023-10-21 21:19:11
  • #3


I don’t know what measurements your program shows you, but mine looks like just under 90 sqm. Could it be that the workshop/carport was included in your calculation? As a reference, I took the 13.50 from the original plan on the left.

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But aside from that: everyone here has their experiences and opinions, which some share here. In many areas we are often on the same wavelength. Especially when it comes to criticism. Mistakes are quickly spotted. Properly fixed without creating another bottleneck, however, they often never are.

Usually, compromises have to be made in a house design. The different priorities of each person play a big role here. Those who have 3 children place at least importance on a second shower, others have hobbies that they want to continue in the house. Wellness lovers value a bathroom, others just prefer to undress alone in a dressing room.

Many want to move downstairs when they grow old and think they will be happy with their 4 sqm shower-WC plus 8 sqm office. This is often justifiably criticized. At least I don’t think it makes sense to set all compromises to priority “old age” when you are just starting to build a family. There are often 40/50 years in between, and maybe a job change, two divorces, three illnesses, four weddings and five grandchildren ;)

In this case there is the granny flat, which must not only be generated because of the subsidy but due to the family structure. Because without it, this house construction will not happen.
But when I see something like the realization of the barrier-free wish with rooms where you can lean against all walls almost simultaneously so that you don’t need a cane anymore, then I have criticism in that regard. I also don’t believe that the OP blames his dad so much that he will build these sleeping and washing holes for him. Such an alcove bed may be nice for children or on vacation, possibly even for students in a pinch, but it has nothing to do with age-appropriate living.
I bet if someone else comes here soon with these dimensions in their draft, it will be rightfully criticized.
The same applies to the direct view of the sofa when entering the main apartment and the view of the stairs when sitting in the living room. Or the proximity of the sofa to the wardrobe, which — even with disciplined adults — is quickly used as a place to put scarves and co rather than first opening the wardrobe door. The toilet under the stairs is also more of an emergency solution in an existing building than a smart new-build idea. However, the idea to also use the connecting corridor fits well.



Now, about the finished attic: I also believe by now (unless someone comes up here with a truly innovative draft) that one should rather forgo the expansion than use the entire ground floor area on the top floor.
And that’s because you want to create a retreat in the attic. Think about that again. Your child is one year old, possibly a second one will come. How do you imagine that retreat when you should actually be near the child or children? At some point the child will go to bed in the evening and then you can chill afterwards. You will probably have no desire to go all the way upstairs but rather stay on the ground floor with a drink before going to your own bedroom. And yes, the bedroom is then a retreat too, but a much more comfortable one. Alternatively, the office, i.e. guest room, can also be made homely for you.
And if that’s not enough, then you can create another room with the used-up floor space in the attic. Maybe a nice dormer in the south is still financially possible, where you can put the armchair with floor lamp and a built-in wardrobe houses the sewing machine?
In the end, you had the wish for a basement. That is too expensive.
Let’s see:

I see the attic rather as a basement replacement room. First as storage and then for your collections. But I promise you that there will be hardly any time left for that ;)




Your own room would be the bedroom with a door to slam.

I think it’s roughly clear where the journey is headed: clear structure for the granny flat, at least 30 sqm for the subsidy, no corridor needed but some freedom of movement for furniture you shouldn’t stumble over.
Shared corridor that is also used jointly for the wardrobe. Small additional wardrobe for the main apartment in case it is rented out to strangers _sometime later_. (I still advise keeping the technology in the north half, so also the bathroom of the granny flat.)
One staircase firmly leading to the attic, there at least storage space. On the top floor a multipurpose room separated from the children’s rooms so that in the evening the needle of the good Singer can also dance there.
And whoever builds in Iserbrook should get used to at least a 48-degree roof pitch :)
 

ypg

2023-10-21 21:26:54
  • #4
What interests me: you are now living in this house: have you already thought about the implementation? Together a small house for subletting?
 

BucheOnBoard

2023-10-21 23:55:08
  • #5
I’m trying to wade through all the posts of the day and my thoughts...
So, it’s an architect without quotation marks and yes, we are not happy with it either and feel like there should be quotation marks – all the rooms we want are in there, but somehow just lined up next to each other, which results in large hallway areas or similar. The fact that the living room part of the open-plan area at the end is narrower than it is now is of course not what you dream of in a new build, especially not when the architect has already sat in that same living room. For example, the fact that the front terrace is drawn into the beech tree is actually a minor thing, but it doesn’t exactly boost the mood either. That no car is supposed to be parked in the carport but maybe one will be charged there someday we had communicated anyway, so I would definitely not use that as a reason for quotation marks.
The beech tree is also the main reason for the setback: otherwise, you would be very close to the crown and would have to prune it annually, because there would hardly be room for the yearly growth. We said that a bay window (at least a projection not spanning the entire width of the house) could be practical for that. This has now turned more or less into a “blunt removal of the upper floor” – which additionally doesn’t work because the southeast corner is too close to the trunk. We discussed this yesterday again with “our” arborist, who assumes that it wouldn’t be approved like that or that the tree care requirements would be exorbitantly complex. He would advise us to leave the existing cellar walls (the existing house is partially basemented in the front half, but very damp and low) of the corner standing and then build no more than 11m on the south side, the workroom must also be considered in root protection. On the other hand, the north side could be longer, which of course makes the building structure more complex and therefore tends to be more expensive. I attached a photo looking from the street to illustrate the size of the beech tree.

Otherwise, wrote a lot of nice things in her last post: The granny flat is not only for subsidies, someone should also actually live there. Unfortunately, one mainly wants to have their peace and not get involved in the building process, but space in the bathroom and around the bed is important, however there will be no sofa in the granny flat. And we would also very much like to avoid a staircase in the open-plan area...

As a result of the necessary “bay window”/“extension,” we then thought the gained square meters for the floor number calculation could be well invested in a higher knee wall – which would benefit the upper floor and also the attic as a basement replacement. And an attic with currently 3.20m from floor to ceiling (yes, of course only exactly in the middle) is definitely a nice room. I think so. I stand by that. Therefore, it will also be developed, with both preferred providers the entire roof would be insulated anyway, and closed from the inside, electricity provided and a (simple) floor installed. My heart is not attached to the huge staircase upstairs, but it should definitely be more than just a space-saving staircase with alternating steps. How much time we then have to use it I don’t know and maybe it will remain just a place of longing and be used only for storage. But without a basement we need the space somehow.

And the plan for the demolition/new build time is indeed an interim rental solution, either a house or an apartment. It is planned (relatively) generously in the building budget, because after all, Hamburg...

And I hope to somehow get all of this into a sketch tomorrow...
 

ypg

2023-10-22 00:25:14
  • #6

… and you don’t take the first one. Tell the architect what you don’t like. He will have included several changes in his cost estimate for his fee. Maybe a good design will still be proposed?!

Why you now? And why the appointment for tomorrow?

The beech: I already thought that the setback has something to do with it.

Are those real sandstone bricks?
 

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