Filling and compacting the ground for the house

Hi,

That's exactly how it is, kitchen for 5k€ ...Maybe made of plastic without appliances, but otherwise definitely not feasible.

it is feasible. If push comes to shove, you can also get a kitchen including appliances at Roller for 3k€. It's ugly and not great, but you can cook in it and you will be full. So it meets the basic requirements.

Let me put it this way:
It's a bit surprising that you seriously consider sourcing and compacting hundreds of tons of ground material yourself but are not willing to assemble a kitchen yourself. That really doesn't add up!
If your financial situation is as tight as you describe and you are not willing to use saving potentials, you won’t even get to buying and assembling the kitchen, because your half-finished shell will eventually be listed in the classifieds for foreclosure auctions.

Yes, I know, kitchens are currently the big status symbol but when I already read "granite countertop, downdraft ventilation and handleless," it’s clear that it wasn’t a budget plan.

For comparison, our kitchen with about 7 m of kitchen front including cooking island:
Furniture from Ikea with full extension drawers, high-gloss fronts, wall cabinets, panels, LED lighting, sink and faucet and all the bells and whistles about 3500€
80 induction cooktop, oven, second oven with microwave (pure luxury), island hood together about 3000 €, all Siemens IQ 700 devices from the upper league.
Dishwasher and freestanding fridge (Bosch A+++) we took with us, otherwise that would have been another 1000 €.
Countertop (between 65 and 75cm deep) now costs 700€.
So we paid 7200 € for the kitchen plus 1000 € for devices already owned.
I assembled it myself, but today I would rather assign it at MyHammer for 500-800 €. MyHammer has good companies listed. Delivery costs at Ikea max 149 €, but they carry everything wherever you want.

That would be about 9000€ for the fully assembled and, in my opinion, quite high-quality equipped kitchen. With normal drawers and simpler appliances and self-assembly, this would also easily be possible for 6500-7000€.

Spending 15k€ on a kitchen is something you can do. You can also spend 50k€ on it. Everyone who wants and can should do that. But whining about 5k € additional costs for earthworks and meanwhile unnecessarily spending 5-10k€ on the kitchen doesn’t fit.

Just my 50 cents...

Regards,

Andreas

That matches my experience quite exactly. Congratulations, your final price was certainly very, very close to the seller’s pain threshold.

According to my kitchen installer, this is not a "list price" comparable to a car, but the price when you add up all the cabinets and parts individually. It then becomes cheaper through block billing, which is how our unrealistic 36,000.- turned into 15,000.-

According to my kitchen builder, this is not a "list price" comparable to a car, but the price when you add up all the cabinets and parts purchased individually. It becomes cheaper through block billing; that’s how our unrealistic 36,000 became 15,000.

That’s exactly how it is. The prices are tiered based on the "wood price." A good salesperson manages to keep you at the lower end of a block and thus makes a profit upwards. But if you know this, you can specifically ask how much is left until the next block. For us, a thick wooden board and some shelves were included. The block tiering depends on the manufacturer. And if you also take advantage of some offers on electrical appliances, it suddenly becomes significantly cheaper.

Hi,

But Ikea doesn't have any standard grid, right? Neither the depth nor the width is, I believe, identical with the rest of the market, so you are also tied to the appliances at Ikea.
Or am I mistaken.

You are mistaken.... don’t believe every nonsense that some kitchen salespeople tell you. Of course, standard appliances fit into Ikea kitchens.

By the way, Ikea now has a standard corpus height of 80 cm, which is a decent height for people. Most kitchen manufacturers still charge extra for that.

Only the cabinet depth is indeed 1-2 cm shallower than others. That may then cause a small surcharge for the countertop.

Best regards,
Andreas

No kitchen salesperson told me that. Full extension drawers and soft-closing are already standard anyway. At least I don’t see kitchens anywhere anymore without them.

Like I said, I spent hours in many houses. And with a lot of bargaining, the cheapest was €15,300, everything else about €1,000 more. Segmüller and the like don’t even come close with their 80% discount.

So €9,000 for an Ikea kitchen, which is certainly not bad in quality, but I don’t believe it holds up against a Häcker kitchen.

I also found Ikea’s online planner stupid.

So 9000€ for an Ikea kitchen, which is certainly not bad in quality, but I don't think it can keep up with a Häcker kitchen.

But according to everything you’ve read here, you actually can’t afford it.