Floor plan design: Single-family house with basement; 560 sqm plot

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ypg

2024-08-12 22:26:13
  • #1
In #13 the ridge runs the other way... in #17 no ridge is drawn. In both drafts you can see where it’s going, namely facing the garden with the wide eaves side.
 

11ant

2024-08-13 01:17:41
  • #2


Whatever you mean here by generating reactive power, I mean (in my opinion obviously) the latter, i.e. the synopsis between the (also after a longer pause) most recently discussed design (29) and the one shown at the beginning of the thread (1/2). A floor plan would only be "not suitable for the plot" if the plot’s topography required a different floor plan. Fit issues between the outline and building envelope are usually easy to fix, even if this regularly causes scratches on the sacred cow of house-garage-vestibule (which I, as you know, recommend prioritizing ZZ anyway).

At this level, the "problems" are popularly homegrown, grown from the nonsense of builders and planners—that is, actually due to beliefs/wishes, for example maximization of a sunburn south garden, or misuse of ancillary building elements as secondary privacy screens. It seems important to you, for instance, to subordinate the dog to the tail, meaning living to solar yield. This works excellently as a recipe for unhappiness or almost certainly produces a (actually avoidable) long sequence of not-quite-satisfactory floor plans.

I do not "prioritize" the upper floor but merely know and illuminate the causal connection between the phenomenon of planning self-tying in the own goal dead-end by "parking forward," i.e. formulating the ground floor before the upper floor. Since my beloved motivates me to positive expressions, I don’t say "beware of starting with the ground floor," but rather: "the most skillful approach is to proceed in such a way that after jointly quantifying and qualifying the space program and its distribution between ground and upper floors, the drawing translation continues first on the upper floor." This keeps the dough malleable until it finds its form.

Giving the upper floor a heavier ceiling leads as a side effect to a dominance of its load-bearing walls, and thus to trickier coordination of wall positions between the two floors. For ceiling cooling of the upper floor, essentially the same applies as in the earlier section regarding the aspect "solar comes before living."

The technical shafts appear planless because they are unjustified in position and dimension, cumbersome in the room, and probably also without a concrete idea of maintenance-friendliness. Presumably, you expressed wishes of which the planners have little understanding, and now he wants to give the installers at least generous space for their improvisations. This looks like an architect fresh from university or a general contractor draftsman; both groups lack alarmingly—and ultimately expensively—the ability to bring builders down to the reality of budget and "only three-dimensional" space (both of which require a relaxed attitude toward compromises or at least Pareto optima). "What exactly is planless here?" – well, both ends of the shafts (i.e. complete upper-lower floor pairs) could shed light on this [I am already getting stomach aches again from the prescribed emoji ban; some sentences need such valves, otherwise it’s hard as a writer to get through the Underberg].
 

hanghaus2023

2024-08-13 09:08:36
  • #3
In #17 I have planned the ridge direction O - W. The orientation to the northern boundary had the advantage that you have a lot of garden and roof area in the south.

The layout without a basement and separate workshop was to somehow get your project within budget.

The bay windows and many chimneys also unnecessarily cost money.

3m clear height as well.
 

DaHias81

2024-08-13 14:44:42
  • #4
Since the budget apparently seems to be quite an issue, the following questions come to my mind: 1. Does it have to be a half-turn staircase + gallery? Wouldn't a normal quarter-turn without a gallery also work? 2. Which bed landscape doesn't fit in a master bedroom of about 15sqm or 4.3x3.5m?? 3. What do you want to do in a 14sqm dressing room? Just for relation: for the few hours you use bedroom/dressing room, you have as much space requirement as both children together... To me it seems as if after realizing the ground floor, there was still space left upstairs that had to be filled somehow... On the topic of the ground floor I only have one question (which others have already asked as well): You also have a basement - do you really need the pantry there? For example, we have a very classic "storage cellar" for all food that is not needed daily, for the freezer and the drinks. Then maybe the passage to the garage could also be omitted.
 

JKHandler

2024-08-13 16:28:45
  • #5


I have indicated the ridge as a line in the comparison sketch.



The comparison sketch is now attached, the black line indicates the ridge (or gable strip in #1). In addition, you will find the other suitable ground floor attached.



We had planned the layout as follows:

    [*] Basement: workshop, storage, utility room, technical room
    [*] Ground floor: guest room/office, bathroom (shower and WC), pantry, kitchen, dining and living room
    [*] Upper floor: Child1, Child2, parents, bathroom

What we still lack is the puzzle piece for the transition in form and orientation of the house on the plot. A few thoughts, detached from all drafts: Naturally, the main garden would be the right part of the plot (south side), thus the arrangement of the children’s rooms would face southeast, bathroom and parents’ room would then align more according to the location of the wet cells? On the ground floor, ideally kitchen with access to the garden and short paths from the entrance. That would roughly correspond to a mirroring of the open space from the current draft and then rotated 90° in the UZS – whereas an L-shape for living room, kitchen, and dining area would also be possible, similar to the first draft.

Based on these thoughts @everyone (please feel free to correct if something is completely off here): What arrangement possibilities (form and orientation; also considering removing the pantry) arise considering the room and space requirements? Or can the current draft be redesigned to meet this?



Our current understanding, at least regarding draft #29 (image 1), is: The heating circuit valve (HKV) for the ventilation and underfloor heating is placed on each floor in the niche of the 24 cm wall facing the corridor. Space for a decentralized distribution manifold (UV) is also available if no central one is desired. From there, the underfloor heating is well reachable and can be laid for all rooms. If you now install at least two 160 mm spiral ducts for controlled residential ventilation, about four well-insulated 40 mm risers for ventilation and underfloor heating, one soil pipe, water, electricity, network, etc., the shaft fills quickly. But yes, the shaft here is already large relative to the house, whereby the size also strongly depends on the technical equipment. Serviceability is a good topic! Thanks for the hint. Accessibility in the other draft (ground floor attached here) I see as problematic, and heat emission into the pantry with reversed installation also. Suggestions and criticism are welcome.


That also appealed to us and was given to the architect as an incentive.


Only one chimney and one flue are planned. In the draft presented here only the recommended chimney and chimney position are additionally shown.


The idea behind it was: In the realization of the controlled residential ventilation, it is, according to first rough calculations, cheaper to build one brick higher (including what follows) than to have 75 mm ventilation pipes in the element ceiling with increased steel and concrete requirements and other technical execution.
 

JKHandler

2024-08-13 17:12:47
  • #6
No, a gallery is absolutely not a must, that was the architect's suggestion. We are also willing to compromise on the staircase. 216x240cm, depending on how you place the bedside tables, it can affect the walking paths (at least on the 3.5m side, where you would then have a narrow passage of 67cm). We had the same criticism. We prefer to give more space to the children and make the master bedroom minimally larger with room for wardrobe space. If the pantry should be omitted, one would have to ensure in the design that the kitchen provides enough storage space. Besides food, the intention was also to store regularly used kitchen appliances in the pantry (we have quite a few of those).
 

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