Floor plan "HOUSE FOR TWO" of approximately 150 sqm presents itself

  • Erstellt am 2020-07-03 13:23:16

pagoni2020

2021-10-03 10:37:13
  • #1

There has to be this much clarity for me to dedicate an entire post to you, !
I have been here in the forum for a long time and very gladly, and for some time now I have repeatedly read biting and often arrogant comments from you about other users, while you conveniently dodge questions about your own floor plan or pictures of your outstanding solutions, only to immediately bite the next user’s calf again because apparently you are not quite up to par higher up.
Winning a "prize" was not our goal, and given our existing conditions it was also clear to us that we neither had the desired time nor the options to achieve a perhaps better result. This house build is, at least for us, a result of various private and also factual “constraints,” and by no means is it the result of stubbornness or arrogance toward criticism presented here. "Those who can read are usually at an advantage," , and so it can be established that I have indeed taken EVERY criticism of our project seriously and have thanked for it, even if some things did not please us.
I believe it was you whom I once wrote to in another house building project and user that one should at least, for the sake of normally instilled decency, not soil the finished and unchangeable result with one’s own mediocrity. We at least know that we should have done some things differently, we are annoyed about some things in addition to the usual frustrations—but, and here you and I luckily differ—we live a consciously individual life and at the same time manage to derive our joy of life from sometimes less positive things. Because we carry this inside us, we do not blow out the light of others who have created something and who, despite existing flaws, can genuinely enjoy it.
For you, : There is "Two" and there is "Two" (people), and even if it sounds like a copy, they do and feel differently, even though it is clearly hard for you, as shown again and again, to imagine that.
We have a living environment we find beautiful but which is certainly unimaginable for you, live a life that seems strange to some others, but exactly the way we like it. This "strange" may then also be reflected in the house, and over the existing edges and corners we will rather sometimes grin than cling to them and get annoyed for life or spoil other users’ joy. I am sure you would also explain to the proud child that the Lego tower should have been better.....after that, no one will build with joy anymore......fortunately, I’m beyond this.
Apparently, it is difficult for you or you always need black-and-white to imagine things. A tip from me to you: better don’t try to imagine our life; you are wrong there again, and in the end, there would only be your usual disparagement of your choice.
You express your perceptible own suffering repeatedly in biting words toward individual users here; this time it just so happened to be us, and I find that such dullness initially hits me after I have shared my life here... but fortunately, it also passes again quickly.
Decency, as you clearly show, is not something Lidl offers; otherwise, you would not always write so stupidly and biting. Guys like you kill any discussion in a forum as well as the absolutely necessary willingness of builders to publicly present their private projects here.
BEFORE execution, harsh criticism is allowed and necessary; AFTER execution, it is unchangeable for the builder and therefore no longer wishes to be soiled by mediocre know-it-alls like you. Basically, you should not have to explain this to an adult anymore, but I will gladly explain it to you here once again, knowing that you will again burden other builders with your dullness so they feel worse afterward than before reading your ramblings.
For you and only for you, even though I already know it will bounce off you again like water on a wet penguin...
I think criticism is great, and I even like to seek it out beforehand! Unlike you, many others have openly posted their very private projects here. I see that as greatness and courage and always enjoy it.
Not showing or hiding something (that’s you), but at the same time interfering everywhere in a know-it-all manner and repeatedly responding nastily, then dodging posting your own, oh so great results here as a contribution fits exactly the biting height of a calf-biter— not even up to the knee.
I have already argued heatedly here, but always ultimately seen that positively and then sought my own share in it. I do not want to argue with you; for that, I would have to take you seriously, which has been difficult for me so far and is now impossible seeing that your malice constantly must come out because it apparently is not allowed elsewhere.
Your criticism is certainly as often justified as any other, and we are mature and reflective enough to also recognize what might have been done better. Precisely because of that, however, I generally do not soil finished objects of others because I am always aware that my own project is just as flawed and unchangeable. The decency instilled in me fortunately prevents me from ridiculously elevating myself above others en masse; that is known to only happen if one feels too small and unnoticed in life (keyword calf...).
As I once wrote in the thread of another builder, you apparently lack any sense for the right moment or rhythm; what predominates is interpersonal coarseness with which some push their way through their own gray life. I never seek pats on the back, and receiving such from you and your often-read, one-track life philosophy would rather unsettle me than please me.
I already had a bad feeling when posting the floor plan and pictures; I actually no longer thought that in many forums, some miserable people unhappy with their own lives are lurking who just wait to shoot you in the knee at 3:00 a.m. out of their own dull boredom or half-drunk, so you feel a bit worse first thing in the morning.
It results in one increasingly holding back with such private details here; therefore, you may finally give yourself a pat on the deep shoulders that you have once again caused a participant to keep a significantly lower profile in the future. In that respect, it was at least enough beyond the calf... that’s nice too.
Yes – that angered me, the AFTER and only the AFTER. Much here does not please me, and I certainly wouldn’t want to even see your lifestyle and way of life in the shade. Nevertheless, you will never read that I soil a project AFTER, so that the respective builder might be even more annoyed about the weaknesses already known to him.
My sincere thanks to all even harsh critics BEFORE (note to : -BEFORE-) completion; everyone now has a share in it (but also in what went wrong :D).
So all my thread critics from now on must live with the crap they helped cause here, and therefore each of them is always warmly invited to the probably upcoming lovely evenings in our "House for Two" and to bump heels on the way to the fridge or the too small living room or scratch knees while carrying out laundry. Never mind, with Mozart in the background, a great picture on the wall, or the chic chandelier, it then doesn’t hurt so much anymore.
It’s a pity won’t be there, but he is currently on a lecture tour or again hasn’t gotten out of his gray... we will still toast to him!
, in the next life you will be my role model; I don’t believe in a second life, though. THAT would really be a drama, but I can live with the corners in the house.
As far as I am concerned, the mod can now admonish me several times here or kick me out. I am done and will go to my botched construction, stroke my stairs, rejoice like crazy about what worked out, consciously overlook a few missing centimeters on the steaming cappuccino machine, and enjoy my life with my people that mostly consists of things other than house stress. Since yesterday, more problems have been solved, the wooden facade and carport are coming soon, and even the missing windows are supposed to be installed on moving-in day; the foil will do for a few days otherwise.

, somewhere deep inside you might be a nice guy after all, but it has always been that I prefer to associate with people who have fallen, stumbled, are flawed, or weakened. I generally avoid know-it-alls; here I apparently did not pay close enough attention, but that can be corrected.
In your thought cosmos, my reaction may now seem exaggerated to you, but I mean every word exactly as I write it about your repeatedly shown lack of empathy and the apparent mediocrity of your often biting comments. :D
Now it’s out of me, how liberating, best to just kick me out here anyway but that had to be said once.
Guys like you only make life gray at most; no one needs that, and too bad for you that your own life will not become a bit brighter because of it!
By the way, I go by boat over the Elbe to the construction site... then I hardly notice the missing centimeters needed for a "life for two" as recognized by .

@mod – sorry, do with this what you think or what has to be done... I’m feeling fine again now.
 

pagoni2020

2021-10-03 11:05:39
  • #2
- as a confessed prolific writer, something else occurs to me before stepping onto the boat.
As a repeat offender in construction, the widely popular hobby of sullying other things to then feel better about oneself in the daily gray is a well-known phenomenon from psychology, which is widespread and therefore you are not alone.
When I built my first house 30 years ago, I was also, due to my age, very easily unsettled by all those know-it-all types with their always perfect houses.
At some point in the following years, I stood in their houses... and after just a few minutes, I already got a rash while at the same time feeling joy that, in their eyes, I had no taste or any clue.
With the current build, it’s almost the same: construction workers tell me that the other trades were done poorly, while theirs are top performances.
In the evenings or after months of construction, I sometimes had the feeling that I was building a crappy house where truly everything was wrong. Without the different kind of experience I have, that would be bad. Probably for that reason, nowadays people only build with the same tiles, house types, and even the same garden fences because they fear the criticism of others. That’s sad but it’s the result of such behavior and that’s also why our building area looks like all the others, gray and white.
And then I go back to my botched job you recognized and feel very comfortable there, even though I know it could have been better.
Such shots in the knee from guys like you will also unsettle young builders here in the forum, as it happened to me back then, and thus a tiny bit of your gray will spread.
That is what I see as a major disadvantage of such a forum, the effect of this social pressure on mostly young and often rather insecure builders here, which you gladly exert with harsh words on the topic of heating or elsewhere.
I am sure you don’t even notice it, one might count that as a mitigating factor, but it remains flat or stupid nonetheless.
So.... now the boat :D and I wish you finally a bit more sunshine in your little heart.... :D
 

Nida35a

2021-10-03 11:22:44
  • #3
I like the floor plan, also with the knowledge of its creation from your wishes (Seeblick, offen, anders, Rückzug). :) Here in the neighborhood, there are perfect, socially acceptable floor plans, but 6, 11, 17 or 21 identical ones stacked on top of each other :rolleyes:
 

Tolentino

2021-10-03 11:26:24
  • #4
So I had already been inside Pagonis' shell construction. And the open space made me a little bit jealous. So don't let anyone get you down...
 

ypg

2021-10-03 11:40:29
  • #5
Oh! I also think that the air space compensates a lot for the "narrowness." It then has a totally different effect, no longer just the 2D effect, i.e. the floor area, but goes upwards – thus the room can also afford this section. We wanted and also have our 25 sqm air space. But for the rest, only the 2.50 ceiling height. This has never been noticed negatively by anyone. In addition, lots of glass on the sides, which opens the space to the outside anyway at . There are simply no lists of good and bad things; you design and compensate one thing with another, create alternatives. That is why you should not go by Pinzerest either. It can seem like a foreign body in the rest of the planning.
 

Bertram100

2021-10-03 11:54:01
  • #6
I would definitely feel comfortable in your house. :) I think it is well done. And the location, even more so! I would also very much like to see a few photos of "after moving in." I am very curious about the house. I imagine it cozy and beautiful. That is not very common, in my opinion. :p
 

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