Tactics when buying a kitchen / how to negotiate properly?

Well then, go ahead

I would do it if it's worth it. But no idea if the price of wood is good.
I need to google it. Are there perhaps former kitchen salespeople who have become self-employed and accompany you during price negotiations? I would like to book such a service.

In the initial post you write I want, later in the text you write, refrigerator doesn't matter, no idea if a Bosch downdraft extractor is good and a ceramic undermount sink. The latter doesn't exist, for example, because it is technically not feasible.

Your list shows that you haven't dealt with the kitchen topic or you are looking for someone to make the decision for you within a given budget, hoping that you pay an honest price.

To avoid these strange kitchen buying methods, you have to be well informed. Matte and others planned their kitchen for months. They inform themselves beforehand as much as possible about what exists, what do I need, what not, what is practical and what is just fashion.

Your list sounds like it was copied from a girlfriend, a colleague. Proceeding so thoughtlessly means anyone can take advantage of you because you have no idea what actually the best kitchen for you is with a set budget. For €15k you won't get what you listed. Of course, everyone offers you Nobilia because it is one of the cheapest.

I would do it if it's worth it

I believe your path will still be longer It can "pay off" in many ways: You don't want to buy devices individually because it annoys you, so it makes sense for you NOT to do that. You want a professional companion, preferably a former kitchen salesman who is now self-employed and interested in something like this... so it also "pays off" for you (good luck with the search....). If you mean the price that should also "pay off," then you have to accept other things... which annoy you in turn. Hm..."only pay off" probably won't work, I think. Search here or in the other forum for a professional person who will take care of it for you and pay them fairly for the service; I could imagine that someone with sufficient expertise can be found there. Or go to two kitchen studios that sell high-quality kitchens and then decide on one of the two offers. Since you estimate 4.5k just for the countertop, the kitchen should not be of simple quality either. By the way, it can also pay off to buy a really stylish, high-quality kitchen without running around for a long time and then feeling great afterward. You will probably have to decide on a kind of "payoff."

No, I don’t seriously want to hire someone. I wrote that with a smile because I recognized a "gap in the market." I’m not looking for anyone now. But if there were such an offer nearby, I would have taken a look at it.

I have definitely dealt a lot with the topic of kitchens. That’s the only reason I even came up with this list. My friends, family, etc. don’t know the trends. I didn’t know them before either and I got intrigued.

Of course there are ceramic sinks for undermounting? Why shouldn’t there be? For example, systemceram offers them. Otherwise correct me if I misunderstood something. I have planned it like that a few times already.

Regarding downdraft extractors, I’m just confused. Because there doesn’t seem to be ONE downdraft extractor. Bora, for example, is very expensive and many are dissatisfied with it.

I’m not demanding with appliances. All visible appliances preferably from Bosch from the Carbon Black line. I like the operation and look of Bosch. And it’s hard for me to get them cheaply online. Refrigerator and dishwasher can be other brands. For the fridge I want 2 biofresh compartments and a fridge/freezer combination. Dishwasher with cutlery drawer and very quiet. Whether Liebherr, Bosch, or Siemens, it doesn’t matter. They’re all probably good and not visible from the outside anyway. It’s also a group with Bosch Siemens Neff.

I don’t think anyone can blame me for anything. The only thing that apparently matters to me is to plan the kitchen completely and then really compare 1:1. I have a list with types of appliances. It’s not like it isn’t. I just find there isn’t THE fridge or THE dishwasher for me. And it’s just annoying that I can’t get certain appliances.

I also find it somehow cheeky that I’m accused of not having dealt with the kitchen topic because of my list. Especially based on my list you can clearly see how the kitchen should look. And that’s already a coherent picture and nothing exotic. I know that the ceramic countertop isn’t so good for an undermount sink. If someone had told me that my taste is 08/15 or that I jumped on the trend – okay! But the list of what I want I worked on for hours and also with kitchen studios.

More knowledge about kitchens is always possible. But I want to say I have already invested a lot of time. Also read a lot about it in this other forum.

Ceramic undermount sink. [/B]The latter does not exist, for example, because it is technically not feasible.

I would now also be interested to know why that should not work...

With which materials does it also not work?

About kitchen planners, just google "independent kitchen planners important or useless" ... someone is currently researching the market. What would such a service be worth to you? And, you can design really beautiful kitchens without downdraft vents etc. and independently choose cooktop and extractor hood. Bosch Blackline is simply the line that is sold through kitchen studios. Just like Studioline from Siemens. An attempt by the BSH Group not to just dump the appliances in online shops.