Tactics when buying a kitchen / how to negotiate properly?

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hampshire

2020-08-08 12:24:05
  • #1
The first (see above) answer is the best tip!
 

ypg

2020-08-08 17:42:30
  • #2

Of course not. But then for a higher price (at the kitchen studio) or/and reluctantly, as I said.


The carpenter does not give a guarantee on the Ikea furniture. If something is wrong after a year, you screw around with it yourself. Or do you think the carpenter comes for free?

No, not at all in my case...

... that’s why I’m criticizing this.
I have now been in this forum for over 7 years, of which 2 (I think) as a mod and had to read all posts. But even without mod duties, an attentive reader notices that most threads and questioners only look at the bottom right – quality doesn’t matter, the main thing is saving money!
Yes, there are others too. – maybe you belong to them... or not, I actually don’t care about this forum chatter – but in the majority, this is how it looks here after all.
And since I was not only a homeowner but also an employee as well as a self-employed craftsman, I know that it is mostly just not granted to make profits or revenue that are not comprehensible to the consumer.

I should have written that I didn’t want to get personal with the quotes, but only copied them as templates to make it worth replying, and yes: a bit of provocation also belongs in the forum

P.S. I am a happy Ikea buyer!
 

ypg

2020-08-08 17:54:07
  • #3
P.s. I am a happy IKEA customer! (Time’s up) So read a bit more neutrally, my dear! Just because I take your quote and criticize it, does it have to be counter-criticized immediately? That’s like being a sore loser, childish nonsense...





I did write that I don’t like that and we got up ...
 

pagoni2020

2020-08-08 18:25:21
  • #4

Why should the carpenter give a warranty on someone else’s furniture? Where did you read that?
Carpenters give a warranty on their own craftsmanship; if there’s a problem, I call him, he works, and I pay. At least with me, he doesn’t have to come for free; where do you get this strangely sounding idea from?
My own work is paid for, other people’s work too, I thought that’s the case everywhere.

...I like tinkering everywhere... but less so with carpentry work. As I said, he always gladly comes because a) he gets paid properly and b) he likes our cappuccino on the terrace. You describe a problem as general, which you don’t necessarily have to make for yourself.

...that may even be true, and still, I don’t like generalizations — neither against craftsmen, customers, Ikea or Bulthaup. The problems are usually very individual, and there are decent
If I were to base myself on what I have professionally read, seen and heard all my life, I would only run through the city with a machete. Maybe that’s why I look forward to the “pearls” among people I mentioned and remain a loyal customer of those.
I just don’t like sweeping judgments, even if they are constantly tempting, because everyone has their horror story about craftsmen, just as about customers, bankers, police officers or doctors.
If you catch me doing so, I will revise it and buy a round for that!

That is the fate of the self-employed, which I also know, that they can always write everything off, have lots of free time, can arrange it themselves, and all are rich. I know. But the world is not quite that black... keyword pearl-hunting...
I have been living in Saxony for years now, what do you think, which (pre-)judgments are often heard there in both directions? And still, I also find the nice people or those who like me... Prejudices exist everywhere: civil servants, teachers, plasterers, and so on, but that really cannot influence our fundamental attitude.

...and after how many forum plus points can I finally read them?

...and I thought you were at least allowed to criticize here once; what a pity!

No, should I have to send you my picture, that of an indestructibly cheerful young man?

I said exactly the same!
Damn, I really don’t know if it’s good to agree with you.

If the Ikea door squeaks, let me know.
 

ypg

2020-08-08 18:34:33
  • #5
The reader reads something else! The topic was the furniture. Not the work. Well, there’s quite a lot of twisting of words on your part... maybe some things should be read twice? Oh, is that so?
 

pagoni2020

2020-08-08 19:13:37
  • #6
The topic had drifted, among other things, to the claim that you then repeated above, that "most" (quote) anyway want to get everything for free/don't want to properly pay for the craftsman's work or that Ikea customers generally want to save themselves some warranty out of stinginess (in essence). Not necessarily the -general reader- but clearly -YOU- as the reader. ....that too can have several causes, which can be found as much in the reader as in the writer. Reading twice generally does no harm at all. I am at least working on it despite professional life; let's work on it, after all that would finally be a nice goal-
 

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