Tactics when buying a kitchen / how to negotiate properly?

  • Erstellt am 2020-08-06 16:47:55

Alessandro

2020-09-08 15:24:18
  • #1
It's about "the household income still to be taxed"! 90k is by no means a lot! I am very much in favor of a social system and I am very grateful every day that we are allowed to live in countries like AUT or DE, but I do not see it as a fundamental right to build a house or to receive Baukindergeld for it if someone else who earns more does not get it. Especially since higher earners also pay a lot more taxes... But that is another discussion
 

kati1337

2020-09-09 14:25:54
  • #2
Yes, that's true, basically the variable tax rates according to income are already a means of the welfare state. A valid argument would be, for example, that a tax rate is already a percentage, and therefore the higher earner automatically pays more taxes than the smaller fish. Logically, that would not be wrong. However, the welfare state considers it appropriate to ask the higher earners to contribute even more, following the motto "the stronger help the weaker." I personally consider 90k taxable income already quite a lot of money. Well, as two educated full earners, you can reach that quickly. But even we as an academic couple currently fit into that bracket because I am not working again yet and will not work full-time for a while. However, one must keep in mind that a large part of the population has significantly less. Also not to forget: with such a somewhat arbitrary limit like this 90k, an image is created of "average earners" and "better earners," which completely ignores that the true social injustice lies in the fact that an incredibly small part of society owns an incredibly large part of the total capital. And compared to the dimensions we are talking about, people who earn a six-figure annual income are still small fish.
 

Stefan001

2020-09-10 07:59:30
  • #3


If all the good ones go bankrupt, that makes no sense at all. If they are good, they don’t go bankrupt. How do I find out who the good dealers are without, from your point of view, having wasted the time of the 4 bad salespeople beforehand and having behaved in a way that damages business? The good dealer actually benefits from the fact that I compare offers (and thus has the chance to win me as a buyer). Only the bad dealer, from whom I don’t buy my kitchen, is harmed by that.

The lack of transparency is supposed to bind me to the one seller at best until I no longer feel like comparing anything else (imagine if in the meantime I were to find a good dealer!!!)

And about cherry-picking: Most people are willing to pay more for additional services. Or conversely, to do some work themselves in order to pay less. If I now want to buy and install the appliances myself to save €500, that means exactly one thing: I see no value of €500 in the purchase and installation of these appliances (and that’s exactly right!) It’s pretty stupid if the kitchen dealer doesn’t disclose their non-transparent bill and adds the labor hours of the fitters or the kitchen salesperson to the appliances.

Look at Ikea: A very clear statement: €200/m for assembly. Boom, then I can simply consider how much this work is worth to me. I don’t waste a salesperson’s time, I don’t need to know how much margin Ikea makes from it, but I can think exactly about what is relevant to me: Is the delivered service worth the money or not?

PS: And I just bought my kitchen at a kitchen studio after Ikea’s planning service wasn’t enough for me, and 4 kitchen studios tried to fool me before I got excellent advice without any fuss at the 5th one.
 

pagoni2020

2020-09-10 09:12:41
  • #4
There is both a demand for Ikea, the furniture store and the kitchen studio, and everyone finds their satisfaction elsewhere (or not); it is not black and white here either, so the small ones are good and the big ones bad or vice versa, but in my opinion, that is too simplistic; it would be nice if it were that simple. Of course, there is a lack of transparency and questionable practices in many other areas of trade (mobile communications, cars, insurance, leasing, groceries, and much more), which is precisely why comparison portals are increasingly popular or institutions like Stiftung Warentest or Foodwatch find more and more justification. However, here it is precisely the kitchen topic at hand, and here concealment is systematic; this is not just one opinion, there are numerous statements from recognized experts; plus countless experiences from users here that just make you shake your head. To generally push the idea onto a customer that he always only wants to follow the "stinginess is cool" theory seems inappropriate to me because this slogan was not invented by the customer; believing that the customer could shape the market remains a pious dream. Ikea or whoever is not "better" but by no means worse either, and the customer who is satisfied with it or whose overall package fits is doing it right. So why these blanket statements that one way is perfect and the other unreliable? One goes to Ikea because he enjoys the self-assembled kitchen for life and can touch and endlessly look at everything beforehand; another already breaks out in a rash if he had to hold a screwdriver. Both or many options are possible. In my bill from the car mechanic, for example, I read every installed part as well as the labor performed, and that person does not starve either. Since when is the demand to receive an understandable and verifiable offer or invoice something that should not be entitled to the customer or puts them in a bad light? On the topic of "negotiation," the fact is that we negotiate something every day. Our employment contracts, the house construction with the general contractor, the general contractor negotiates something with the tiler, the tiler with the wholesaler, etc. Negotiating itself or price-conscious negotiating is nothing reprehensible. We constantly negotiate something with our spouse, our children. It is about being fair in this "negotiation," on both sides, and I cannot see that the customer is generally less fair than the dealer. The dealer can say stop or the customer can leave the room, both are free. The one who pays a price without questioning it is not necessarily a fairer person than the other who conducts a "normal" sales talk, including price/performance, with his service provider. Otherwise, the wealthy would inevitably be fairer than low earners who have to be more frugal. I generally dislike blanket judgments, neither from the customer side nor the dealer side. I am not THE Ikea customer or THE furniture store customer. I am once this and then that, always as it suits me best. That is precisely part of the free market. Our friends had an Ikea kitchen and also had the craftsmen organized through Ikea. They were less satisfied with the result. We, on the other hand, like planning very much and tinker endlessly or also include parts from other companies and then have them installed by our long-known carpenter, so this time it was a fancy Ikea kitchen. We always see the price immediately and handle the product, and the result is great for us. If we did not know this craftsman, we would probably have bought the kitchen elsewhere and would not be less satisfied. Therefore, I cannot understand this frequently written allocation of right/wrong here.
 

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