Single-family house (2 floors + residential basement + developed attic) approximately 200 sqm - changes

But you yourself admit that these priorities are shifting and I am ready for that.

Nope. Or is there a draft with 9x10m or something similar?

The fact is, the floor area is small.

Nope, you set that as if it were a law of nature.

Of course, we first approach it so that the living rooms are as large as possible and the rest is designed as sparingly as possible?

Nope, every room needs to be sized to fulfill its purpose as optimally as possible. If there is still space left, you can add something to your desired rooms.

In the architect’s draft, there really are large hallways?

Nope, where? First of all, that’s not an architect’s draft, but yours with minor changes, maybe to squeeze out something more from the little that’s called an entrance hall. And secondly, do you have a room at home with 5.4m²? If yes, put 3(?) wardrobes in there—don’t forget tall ones—and then move around inside with 5 people dressing and undressing. You can also simulate that in the living room with cardboard if you have so little imagination.

We tried to make them even smaller and make things more open instead.

Yes, you want mini-hallways or better none at all, we know. Maybe you can outsource them?

Currently I think that the first floor and the basement are okay? There was no criticism so far?

What about the depth in the bedroom? Stand in front of your wardrobe and now behind it, at about 70(?) cm distance, a bed. Now open all wardrobe doors and dress and undress, preferably with two people.

The entrance area and of course the roof seem to be the sticking points? The stair has a running length in the middle of about 455. That should be enough?

Your staircase in my opinion is hardly a problem here anymore. The shower on the first floor, however, is a double no-go. Ultimately, if you want it that way, build it. No one wants you to say at the end of your build that you would have preferred it differently.

this is the draft from the architect. I have already attached it. are there minihallways there? the furnishing is of course drawn by me. so that still needs to be removed.

Nope. Or is there a draft with 9x10m or something similar?

Nope, you set it like it’s a natural law.

So you basically rule out that a 9*9m house could somehow work? You grind yourselves down about it as if the desire to build with a small footprint shouldn’t even exist. And above all, you then like to act as if it had to be the law and that one is not allowed to objectively look at the design of a family that set 9*9m as their guideline.

Nope, every room needs the size to fulfill its purpose as optimally as possible. If there is still space left, you can add something to your desired rooms.

Agreed. Which room is now too small to fulfill its purpose? You find the bedroom too narrow, I will check that again, and the entrance area. I also find the latter anything but optimal. The attempt now is neither to shrink the living room nor to enlarge the house but to design it pragmatically. Suggestions are welcome.

Nope, where? First of all, this is not an architect’s design, but yours with small changes, maybe to squeeze something out of the little that is called hallway.

See post above.

And secondly, do you have a room at home that is 5.4m²? If yes, put 3(?) cabinets in there – tall ones not to forget – and then move around in there with 5 people who are dressing and undressing. You can also simulate that in the living room with cardboard if you have so little imagination.

Our hallway is currently 130*250 and on the 130 side there’s the entrance door and on the side the bathroom door. I don’t need to simulate anything with cardboard! All shoes are there, a small bench (which reduces the cloakroom to 100*250) and the children’s clothes. That leaves 80-90cm*250. Our jackets hang on the inward-swinging door. And you know what (even though you seem to know me better than I know myself): more than the limited space, what annoys me is that we spread dirt from shoes throughout the apartment all the time when going to the bathroom. That doesn’t mean it’s my dream for the cloakroom to be that small. It definitely should be bigger. But realistically, we won’t have family afternoons there either. If the seating moves into the stairwell (stair step) and instead of 2 doors swinging into this area there is only one or even none, then that works for us. It’s no dream but okay. Currently we are at 270*210-245. That’s a clear improvement even though occasions where we start with 5 people become less.

Yes, you want mini hallways or better none, we know. Maybe you can outsource them?

We don’t want that. We just want, above all, the living rooms to be as big as possible and the hallways just big enough to still be functional.

What about the depth in the bedroom? Imagine your wardrobe and now behind it at 70(?)cm distance a bed. Now open all the wardrobe doors and get dressed and undressed, preferably as a couple.

Also here: currently I have 45cm between bed and wardrobe! The door just opens. Not cool either but I have no problem with that. But I will gladly look again. The problem was pointed out and I noticed it myself. I don’t necessarily have to rebuild the unpleasant things from home.

In my opinion, your staircase is hardly an issue here anymore.

Phew. That finally sounds good.

The shower on the upper floor is two times nothing.

It’s just a placeholder. But of course, we are open to ideas here as well. It should be walk-in level. If it works without doors, that would be good. If it doesn’t fit, the bathroom must be planned bigger.

Ultimately, if that’s how you want it, build it. No one wants you to say at the end of your build that you would have preferred it differently.

No. Don’t worry. That won’t happen. I only consider suggestions from people I don’t know if they convince me. So if I want it that way too. That might sound weird to you, kaho674, but I think that’s how it usually works.

are there mini corridors there?

That’s how the architect would furnish it. As you can see, the shoe cabinet is already too deep at 30cm and protrudes into the door.
I’ve drawn your 5 people in there. More than 2 can no longer put on their jacket in that hallway. When 3 are inside, it’s full and you can only hope that one soon leaves through the door. Then those from the living room can move forward. It reminds me of Pacman.

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If the house were for 2 people, it would certainly work, but with five it will be fun. I don’t even find it that bad if someone has to wait sometimes with 5 people. What’s funny is rather the zigzag queue where you have to line up.
Well, you’ll manage it.

I don't find it so bad if one person has to wait among 5 people. The funny thing is rather the zigzag queue where you have to line up. Well, you guys will manage that.

When I say for 5 people, I don’t expect 5 people to put on their jackets at the same time. That never happens at 130*250 anyway. But while one is already dressed, someone else wants to use the bathroom, 2 are getting dressed, and one more person arrives. That’s not particularly pleasant right now. 210-240 and possibly even only 180-210 * 270 in that room and a hallway of about 230*115 in front sounds like a real improvement to me. Especially since no one has to pass through on the way to the bathroom anymore (which is not uncommon before leaving). EDIT: The shoe corner is not dimensioned in the architect's design, only the 210. I assumed the corner with 30 cm and placed the door somewhat roughly.

So you are basically ruling out that a 9*9m house can somehow be coherent?

No, although the square usually has unfavorable proportions in that case. But a small house for, e.g., 2 adults, 1 child can work quite wonderfully. But that is not you.

There is no point in continuing to discuss this, we would only annoy each other. If I see anything where there is a danger to life, I will let you know. Otherwise, I will try to hold back.